Doing the Numbers on No. 1

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  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Patterns in the Universe

    Study finds that patterns formed by spiral galaxies show that the universe may have a defined structure

    by Kansas State University

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    An all-sky mollweide map of the quadrupole in the distribution of galaxy spin directions. In this image, the different colors mean different statistical strength of having a cosmological quadrupole at different points in the sky. Credit: Kansas State University
    https://phys.org/news/2020-06-patterns-spiral-galaxies-universe.html

    IMO, most of what we know of the universe is revealed by the existing patterns which suggest how the universe evolved in particular patterns and allow us to calculate possible futures based on the patterns observable today.

    To me, this all suggests an influential mathematical aspect to the universe, and is why I follow Tegmark in his quest to find the TOE (if it can be found), which has to be able to be expressed in mathematical terms.
     
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  3. nebel

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    here is the article headline about the uniqueness of the solar system planetary pattern:
    Is our solar system a cosmic oddity? Evidence from exoplanets says yes
    When we started finding planetary systems around other stars we thought many of them would be like ours. We’ve now found hundreds – and it’s so far, so wrong



    Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/articl...dence-from-exoplanets-says-yes/#ixzz7Dvo86zZY
     
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    Why should that be noteworthy? There are no 2 people alike, yet they are all made from the same materials. But in different quantities and that makes the difference.

    Question is if all other patterns use the same mathematical laws applied to different initial conditions?

    In Chaos theory, there is only chaos. Yet regular patterns emerge from the chaos. How does it do that unless some universal laws are causal to the self-formation of repeating patterns, even from chaotic conditions?

    CDT (Causal Dynamic Triangulation), proposes that the universe's spacetime fabric itself unfolds in a fractal pattern.
     
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    There is a statistical method of analyzing the chance of finding like planets via the NSA developed ; "large number of rare event distribution".
    Robert Hazen uses it in calculating the probability of missing (yet to be found) minerals and where they may be found, based on the sampling of known minerals on earth.

    Rare Events
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_events

    Large Number of Rare Events Distribution
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_number_of_rare_events
     
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    No question about all that. the point of the PO is, here we do not have all chaos. certain ratios, numbers popping up. even if voted down.
     
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    IMO, all that suggests that the pattern formation is influenced by variable conditions. In view of the extraordinary distances and the naturally degradation of information the data is subject to. It is a wonder that we get even any data at all.

    Personally, I am certain that universal laws are applicable throughout the entire universe and any deviation does not automatically prove negative results or disprove positive results. With time the statistical record will increase and LNRE will become more and more accurate in its predictive power.

    Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/articl...dence-from-exoplanets-says-yes/#ixzz7DxWuMoDP

    How about one of many rare event statistics? Using our solar system as a starting model is useful but hardly persuasive. At that scale external forces are of such magnitude that a single event may disrupt a galaxy and completely change its normal pattern formation.

    We may compare this to the occurrence of curved patterns in the universe. Super-novae, Supermassive black holes, Galactic mergers.

    In the world of mechanics, there are four basic types of motion. These four are rotary, oscillating, linear and reciprocating.

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    Interestingly, certain sets of straight lines may yield a curved pattern and vice versa a certain set of curved patterns may yield a straight line.

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    on post#274

    What symbols you think should be used? .You have not analyzed the dta, some are ratios independent of in what units they are expressed, pounds, cubits, watches. stones.
    bode numbers, 4, 7, 10, 16 and their golden ratios.
    Vo of Earth 30 vs 300 000 km/sec of the speed of light. 1 / 10 000 in any units. and yes, the choice of the 10 digit system, and metric system based on the properties of water and approximating the planet measurements was a good choice producing these other "10" unrelated coincidences.
    Nature was waiting to have such a fitting description. such a unique planet with life. a protective tent with a ten.
     
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    looks like a moebius strip too, going on and on, with pretty pictures.
     
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    I must admit that I don't know what the OP question or statement is. I have been trying to offer some general observations, but except from c all other mathematical relationships are more or less variable due to the dynamic nature of spacetime itself.
    What is the question? Why do you need it. What does it prove?
     
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    Do you find it interesting that one can use straight lines to create a curve or using circles to create straight lines?
    I find that remarkable.
     
  15. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    That sounds like the fallacy of composition.
     
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    Ok then, please correct that sentence for me. I am sure you understood the question, no?
    Or are you now going to recommend that I study the English language on "composition"?

    This is getting ridiculous and you are now disrupting yet another topic, or is nebel also on your list of "undesirables".
     
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    The OP asked to examine the seemingly unique ratios, , perhaps not even essential to foster life, on this unique planet. such as:

    Only from our surface, at this time, has a moon closely the same apparent size as the central body, allowing eclipses. not a 10, but 1/1. so,

    Not that all your good contributions are not fascinating, but how are they relating to that narrow field outlined in the OP?
     
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    Being that most naturally occurring mathematics can be described by the (human) decimal system it would seem natural that decimal relationships and ratios should appear frequently.

    I must admit that I have no other answer to the OP and I was just trying to add some different perspectives into the mix.

    It was not my intent to interfere with the original question. Sorry.
     
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    Could this be related?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_magnitude
     
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    Yes.
    No. Just the number of protons. That's what defines what element a particular atom is.
    No. It's the number of protons in the nucleus. That isn't a "pattern"; it's a physical property of the atom.
    I don't know, since I have never been able to understand what "inherent potentials" is supposed to mean.
    An atom is a physical thing. A pattern is an abstract thing.
    I have explained it to you before. In one ear and out the other; then you go on as if I never said anything. And, a few days or weeks later, off you go again with the same mistake.
    Yes.
    Wrong again, for the same reason. Our universe isn't an abstraction.

    Come on, this isn't hard.
     
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    Do atoms have patterns depending on the number of electrons and neutrons?
    Do nuclei all have the same pattern?
    A pattern is the particular arrangement of constituent parts of a physical thing..
    Because you deny that all things are observable by the patterns their atoms and molecules are arranged. The way things appear is by their patterns.
    Good, we have agreement on that point.
    Explaining General Patterns in Species Abundance and Distributions
    By: Wilco C. E. P. Verberk (Marine Biology and Ecology Research Centre, University of Plymouth) © 2011 Nature Education

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    https://www.nature.com/scitable/kno...l-patterns-in-species-abundance-and-23162842/
    I could ask the same of you. It seems you are considering what constitutes a pattern in a narrow way.

    Can you present me with a single thing that has no pattern ?

    It is their patterns that sets all things apart from each other as well as identifies what they have in common.
    The definition of "pattern" addresses all forms of regularity (regular patterns) or irregularity (irregular patterns)

    Pattern
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    .....continued

    Universal Patterns
    Creator: Kaan Soravit Yumlu

    Medium: Digital Art

    https://publish.illinois.edu/flowing-from-quantum-to-cosmic/patterns/

    I suggest that if something exists that has no pattern, it could not be analyzed via mathematics and the universe would forever be unknowable.

    As Roger Antonsen says; "patterns have names".
     
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