Dog drags woman in front of train

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  1. mikenostic Stop pretending you're smart! Registered Senior Member

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    http://www.ktvu.com/news/19662465/detail.html


    This is why dog owners need to know how to control their dogs.
    It's also the reason why dog owners should NEVER, EVER let their dogs walk in front of them and/or tug on the leash.
    The dog may have been her baby, but she apparently didn't know how to discipline/train/raise the dog properly either.

    IMO, she almost deserves an honorable mention for a Darwin Award.
     
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  3. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    Holy shit, just how small and slight was she that she couldn't simply lower her weight and keep herself static? How heavy is a pit bull??

    And yes Mike, I agree with you.
     
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  5. mikenostic Stop pretending you're smart! Registered Senior Member

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    Pit bulls can weigh up to 100 lbs and be nothing but muscle. They have more than enough strength to pull/drag a person who isn't strong enough to pull them back. Dogs with immense strength like Pits are not dogs you want to leave undisciplined. She would be alive today if she had taught her dog to follow, not lead.
    It's a simple concept folks, if you are the leader (alpha) then you are in front. If you let the dog out in front, then you give all your power/leadership to the dog, and that's exactly the way the dog sees it.

    But like I said, if she had taught the dog to stay beside or behind her when walking, and taught it not to pull on the chain. I fought with my Doberman for several months because he wanted to tug on the leash and get in front of me, even while wearing a Gentle Leader collar.
    He won't stay behind me so I make him stay beside me. He stays on my left and it more or less took me reaching over with my left foot every few steps and stepping on his paws to keep him from getting in front of me and tugging on the leash.
     
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  7. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Wonder why she just didn't drop the leash?:shrug:
     
  8. mikenostic Stop pretending you're smart! Registered Senior Member

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    Well if you'd open your damn eyes and read the article (J/K)...

    but yeah the article says that the leash was wrapped around her wrist and couldn't let go.

    That said, that brings us right back to what I've mentioned above.
    If she had let go of the leash, the dog would have ran out in front of the train and killed itself....and that would STILL have been her fault for like I said, by not training the dog to follow.

    My philosophy in that situation is, 1. the dog is not going to tug on the leash and get in front of me and 2. I'm not letting go of the leash to allow my dog to kill itself right in front of me.
     
  9. justwonderingjoe Gosh,the weather is nice today Registered Senior Member

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    According to Alameda County Sheriff’s Department Sgt. J.D. Nelson, at about 2:15 p.m. two people with a dog were attempting to cross the tracks ahead of an approaching train just north of the Hayward Station near the intersection of West Blossom Way and Meekland Avenue.

    "The crossing guards were down. The gentleman was able to make it through," Nelson explained. "She tried to stop, realizing she probably couldn’t make it and the dog dragged itself and her into the train."

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    Mike, your right, the woman should have been in more control of her animal, for sure. Especially with a train approaching. Maybe the dog misread the owners body language, cause it sounds like she was going to cross, then changed her mind. Sad.
     
  10. wise acre Registered Senior Member

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    NOT THE DOG'S FAULT. (me reacting to the headline in the article)

    From my read of the article. All dogs like to be at the front of a pack if the pack includes THEIR humans. So the man gets across the tracks and the woman and the dog are coming up behind. There is incredible noise and the owner is panicked. We cannot expect the dog to work everything out. The owners messed up.

    I disagree with your rules for dog owners. Or better put, I don't think everyone should have to do all those things. But if your dog pulls you don't 'try to see if you can make it over the train tracks when the train is coming.' Period.
     
  11. justwonderingjoe Gosh,the weather is nice today Registered Senior Member

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    Actually, the more I read the article, Why did the couple even think they could cross the tracks? The guards were down, that means don't cross. The man should not have crossed the tracks in the first place. It said "two people with a dog were trying to cross the tracks" That sounds like they were a couple walking their dog. The guy should have obeyed the law and not crossed the track.
     
  12. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    No, dogs should be trained to only walk when you are walking, and not pull against the leash. But people don't bother to train their dogs properly.
     
  13. nirakar ( i ^ i ) Registered Senior Member

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    It is very rare for a Pit Bull to weigh more than 65 lbs.

    The dog probably thought they should cross because the third member of the group crossed. Pitbulls don't change plans very well.

    I don't think a 120 lb woman should believe that she has the strength to hold a 50 lb pit bull back by it's leash if the pit bull is determined to get some where. I don't know what the weights were in this case.
     
  14. Enmos Registered Senior Member

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    "Her dog was her baby. Everywhere she went, the dog went," said Silver's cousin Tonya Neves.

    It's more like: "Everywhere the dog went, she went."
    Even unto the final moment. At least they died together..

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  15. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

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    This is why I have a Jack Russell...

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    Pit Bulls are banned in Canada now, and I think for good reason.
     
  16. justwonderingjoe Gosh,the weather is nice today Registered Senior Member

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    I still think if the guy would have said, "wait a train is coming, stop, it's not safe" this would not have happened. It's not the dog or the girl, it was the guy's fault.
     
  17. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    It doesn't matter if the thing is a 100 pound rottweiller, the slightest pull should tell the dog to stop.
     
  18. nirakar ( i ^ i ) Registered Senior Member

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    What percentage of dogs are that well trained? It is one thing for the dog to obey when it has no reason not to obey and something different for the dog to obey when the command is asking the dog to ignore his other instincts.
     
  19. nirakar ( i ^ i ) Registered Senior Member

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    I agree, and the guy probably knows this and probably is feeling like shit now.
     
  20. justwonderingjoe Gosh,the weather is nice today Registered Senior Member

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    I agree. If you click the link and watch the news video, the video said, the man crossed, the dog tried to follow him and pulled the girl on to the tracks.

    It also said people in the neighborhood ignore the RR guards and cross when a train is coming.

    Hard way to learn a lesson.
     
  21. mikenostic Stop pretending you're smart! Registered Senior Member

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    If you would just do a bit of reading....
    Wolf packs...the alpha is always at the front. He is the first to go anywhere. It's his pack and he is responsible for the welfare of his crew.
    That said, dogs will still try to assume the 'alpha' role if the person or leader isn't doing the job properly; and doing the alpha/leader job properly becomes even more important when you are dealing with big, strong, high intensity dogs like Pits, Dobies, Rotties, etc.

    You don't have to agree with me, but that's OK. I'm still right. See I've learned what I've learned from 1. multiple dog classes each of my dogs have had and 2. if you watch The Dog Whisperer, even Cesar (who I'm sure knows WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more about training dogs that you ever will, also teaches that. He's had countless high profile and celebrity clients. He teaches every single one of them that the dog is either beside you or behind you, not in front of you.
    Don't mean to be an ass, but dog training is not something you want to argue with me about.
     
  22. mikenostic Stop pretending you're smart! Registered Senior Member

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    Shorty, don't get all ignorant on me now.

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  23. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

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    Well Mike....

    There have been so many incidents of small children being mauled to the point of needing extensive stitches or mauled to death by them that you won't see me protesting to reverse the banning.

    I know I know, it's the owner's faults too but it seems more commonly that if a small child was mauled or another small dog kill it was usually more then not a pit bull.
     

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