# Does time exist?

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1. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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IMO, "duration" is an acceptable term as well. Age cannot be established when we use "half-life" as a measurement. Can't say "current age is 1/2 ~10,000 years"..............

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3. ### Michael 345New year. PRESENT is 70 years oldValued Senior Member

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OK agree, although there are minor differences which really don't count in everyday talk

Not sure the point here

Something with a half-life of 10 years means that after 10 years there is half of it left* so what can be said is the remaining ½ is 10 years old and the vanished ½ half, vanished at various moments making each vanished bit slightly older than the previous vanished bit

* I know you know this I am just typing out my thoughts on auto for my own benefit, not splaining you*

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5. ### Michael 345New year. PRESENT is 70 years oldValued Senior Member

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You find a object, MAKE and LABEL a coordinate and attach to the coordinate to the object

Likewise you find a event, MAKE and LABEL a moment and attach the moment to the event

Still not seeing TIME

7. ### AsexperiaValued Senior Member

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Those who deny the existence of time have not been able to establish the connection between two different states (before and after) of the same process.

8. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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And what is the connection between the different time states before and after the duration of a chronological event?

During a chronological event time exists for that event. When the chronology has ended, time ceases for that event.
Without association to a chronological event time does not exist at all. Time is always associated with a duration of physical change (existence).

The universe (space) is never static, hence the term spacetime, not space in time.

9. ### Michael 345New year. PRESENT is 70 years oldValued Senior Member

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You are getting close

Without association to a chronological event time does not exist at all

Close

From any abstract moment to another abstract moment regarding a item, change occurs to/in the item and the change is called AGEING

Time - in common parlance (as in we say weight not mass) as in "along time ago should be a long age ago"

Personally I don't care how phrased in every day chat

In discussion about TIME, separate time and age

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10. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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This may be of interest to the discussion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Bergson#Duration

11. ### AsexperiaValued Senior Member

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The continuity of the chronological event.

There are events that last a short time (seconds), others last an intermediate time (years) and others last a cosmic time (thousands of years).

12. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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Right, time is an emergent aspect, dependent on the continuity of a chronology.
Yes, and you can only assign a specific time to the actual expressed duration (short or long) of the chronology. Those periods of duration are called individual time-lines for each chronology, regardless of length. There are bundled time-lines for sets of related simultaneous chronologies. But when an event stops for any reason it's associated time-line disappears and there is no time at all, except for the individual or bundled time-lines of other chronologies.

And of course the universe (space) has its own timeline. That is what we refer to as the fourth dimension of space and created the term spacetime. It is true that all individual time-lines occur within the universal spacetime, but that only depends on the continued existense of the spacetime geometry. There is no time outside of spacetime. There is nothing outside of the universe, except a timeless abstract "permission" (the act of permitting)...

13. ### Michael 345New year. PRESENT is 70 years oldValued Senior Member

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Oh a aspect

Detected by a scientific machine Aspect-romiter perhaps?

14. ### river

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Write4U

It seems to me that to include time into this Universe as before the begining of this Universe , is mathematical imagination . Since anything mathematical is based on a three dimensional physical(s) object in the first place .

How does the time of mathematics , become real , so that effects , affects , causes , physical things to move , in any direction ?

15. ### AsexperiaValued Senior Member

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THE TIME-LIGHT ANALOGY

In the time-light analogy:
- The real time is similar to light (objective).
- The sensory time is similar to color (subjective).

The real time is the duration or permanence of things in a certain state or situation. The sensory time is the continuous succession of irreversible moments that goes from the past to the future. Moment is a mathematical concept, the time point. In the real time things happen sequentially. The real time flows in things (objects and phenomena). The real time flows in clocks, in the movements of planets and stars, in the life of a person (age), in an airplane in flight, in a song, etc. The clocks time is uniform and periodic.

The real time is universal and the sensory time is particular (of subject).
The cosmic time starts with the big bang and continues with the expansion of the universe.

16. ### river

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Disagree

Cosmic Time does not influence any thing , it is a figment of ones imagination , to think that it could or should . Mathematics while important in understanding , physical objects .

Is based on physical objects .

Disagree

It is mass that expands space , assuming that the Universe is actually expanding .

There is a fundamental amount of space that all physical objects need in order to exist .

From the macro to the micro of the existence of real physical objects .

Hence why the Universe has no light , everywhere .

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17. ### AsexperiaValued Senior Member

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In the cosmic time particles, atoms, light, gravity, stars, planets, etc. arose.

18. ### river

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Yet without time , all these would exist , anyway .

Because all are based on physical three dimensional objects .

Time can not change anything(s) physical movements .

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19. ### AsexperiaValued Senior Member

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TIME: CONTINUOUS PRESENT

Humanity has been divided in opinion about the existence of time. Is there or is not time? For some, time does not exist because the past and the future do not exist. For others, time exists based on the measurement of time. However both groups have half truth.

Philochrony leave from the definition of real time: it is the duration or continuity of things in a particular state or situation.

1) Clocks measure time, the continuity of things in the present.
2) Time does not need the past nor the future to exist.
3) We use the ideas of the past and the future to organize our lives.

In conclusion, time exists in a continuous present.

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20. ### river

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Yes

Based on physical objects . That move . So the time is continuous because physical movement is continuous .

Movement , physical movement , is based on the physical properties of the physical object(s) and interactions between physical object(s) .

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21. ### AsexperiaValued Senior Member

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The goal of Philochrony is to achieve the unification of opinions on the nature of time.

22. ### river

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But not the reality of the essence of what time actually represents .

Which is a measure of the movement(s) of three dimensional physical objects , position in space , being changed .

Opinion of time is irrelevant .

What time is , essence of time , movement(s) by physical objects , this understanding of time is beyond opinon , it is a fact .

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23. ### river

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You can't remove movement(s) of physical objects from the essence of time .