Does time exist?

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  1. Michael 345 Looking for Bali in Nov Valued Senior Member

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    Agree detecting effect

    Clocks do not detect time

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  5. Michael 345 Looking for Bali in Nov Valued Senior Member

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    Gravity detected via its effects

    TIME does not produce any effects because it does not exist

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    2.4 The Problem Situation
    The physical issue of time and the physical issue of space remain unexplored. Does
    time have some kind of constitutive element which activates phenomena such as
    aging? Does the Universe produce time? Are clocks activated by time? Do they
    generate time?

    A clock is a device whose functioning is correlated with the configuration of the
    Sun and Earth (Fig. 3.1). When used as clocks, the rhythms of nature do not
    generate time. A clock does not produce time and it does not consume time; the timed displayed is subject to strict international conventions. The idea (concept) of measuring changes (phenomena) is made concrete by the invention of the clock (artifact): this is conception or design, i.e., the materialization of a concept through
    the gnomon, sundial, clepsydra, and clock. Consider what Petronius (?–65 AD)
    said: … a clock near which a “bucinator” (latin word for a “trumpet player”) warns
    us of the flight of the days, and time gone by ([11]: XXV)

    Days and hours cannot be measured; it is changes that are measured.

    In 2011, a British clock reached an accuracy of 2.3 10−16 s, which is an error of 1 s/138 million years. It illustrates the considerable role of high technology and state-of-the- physics.
    The leap second between solar time and atomic time requires periodic resyn-
    chronization: if time was a physical component of nature, such questions wouldo bviously not arise. The accuracy of measurements is determined by the accuracy of clocks; but the accuracy also depends on the rigor of the definition of the second.
    Terrestrial rotations, terrestrial revolutions, and the cesium oscillations, produce observable and measurable cycles, but they do not produce time; even if a mis-leading field effect suggests the idea of an arrow of time.

    The Invention of Time and Space by Patrice F. Dassonville

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    There is more but that's enough before i post the whole book

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  7. Michael 345 Looking for Bali in Nov Valued Senior Member

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    Outside of The Invention....... book you might find this interesting

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  8. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Just like gravity cannot be measured; it is the movement of masses that is measured.

    And yet, that doesn't mean gravity is "just a concept".
    Same applies to time.
    Nothing you've said changes that.
     
  9. Michael 345 Looking for Bali in Nov Valued Senior Member

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  10. TheFrogger Registered Senior Member

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    Time is a potential. To "have time" simply means you are still alive.
     
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  11. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    Space-time relation

    Length is visual.

    Time is MAGNITIVE (objective and thought mathematically).
     
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  12. Michael 345 Looking for Bali in Nov Valued Senior Member

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    Blue is the colour of my true loves hair
    Yellow is the colour of the buttercups she walks on
    Yellow is the colour of the Sun
    She has never walked on the sun

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  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Time is a "latent passive" potential of a permittive condition. It is an emergent by-product of duration of change within that permittive condition.
     
  14. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    I have read many (not all) Posts to this Thread.

    My Post 109 describes Einstein's view.

    I have seen nothing better on this issue.
     
  15. Michael 345 Looking for Bali in Nov Valued Senior Member

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    Try to obtain a copy of

    The Invention of Time and Space by
    Patrice F. Dassonville

    Technical and very detailed in places but good explanations as to why time does not exist

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  16. nebel Valued Senior Member

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    Does time exist? well, take it out of all equations, bring all durations to zero, halt your movement through the 4th dimension and see what happens.
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    QUESTION;
    BB? You have not taken that out of the equations.
     
  18. nebel Valued Senior Member

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    please give details how? when? where? ?
    having time in equations is important, take e=mc^2 , time is in there squared, (as part of c). had me scared! now about
    the BB, my take is it happened at a point in time, so you have to have time to have that point, make that point even. since in alternate theories ALMA, lookback time,

    I consider the BB the switch from timespace to spacetime from energytime to mattertime, how did I take time out of the BB? or the BB out of the equations?
     
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  19. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    For Aristotle, time is not a movement, but it would not exist without it, since it only exists when movement involves a number. Aristotle conceived, without knowing it, the becoming-time duality, the fundamental law of Philochrony.
     
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  20. Michael 345 Looking for Bali in Nov Valued Senior Member

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    He probably did know what he was on about and I'm certain it was not crap "when movement involves a number....Philochrony"

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  21. nebel Valued Senior Member

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    imho: Time is not moving, we are. Without time and our movement through it, we would not exist without it. or? is that better? fixed that for you?
     
  22. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    nebel said:
    Time is not moving, we are. Without time and our movement through it, we would not exist without it. or? is that better? fixed that for you?


    Time is the direction (dimension) of becoming (changes). If there is movement there is time.
     
  23. nebel Valued Senior Member

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    yes, time is the fundamental dimension, the basis upon or through which movement occurs, and
    "since we do appear to get older every day, month, and year". (courtesy of n0name)
     
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