Does God love me? Can I trust Him?

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by Saint, Oct 30, 2012.

  1. cole grey Hi Valued Senior Member

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    if you really want to talk about this seriously, we have to look at the question of whether being forgiven creates love and thankfulness (as christians profess), or creates a lack of responsibility leading to worse actions (as Nietzsche would profess.) Before anybody says that it must be the latter because christians are bad people too, we have to notice that some popular forms of christianity do not in fact offer forgiveness on a long term basis, but rather only offer more responsibility, and that is because some christian sects do not offer salvation for free but rather, your personal christian "race for the prize" can be lost or won by actions after conversion.

    ALSO, most christian sects believe that you will in fact suffer for your sin,(even those that say god will not count your sin against you), so i don't think there is validity in saying cause and effect are lost, unless you are talking about Karma or Heaven only, and not cause and effect in this world. It isn't within normal sensibility to say, "God protect me from the physical consequence of my sin", although that prayer is being prayed all around the world right now as we speak, because not everyone is sensible.
     
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  3. Neverfly Banned Banned

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    Yes to all. All are physical and real chemicals and measurable interactions.
    Trooper posted this in the "Love" thread.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYfoGTIG7pY
     
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  5. Mazulu Banned Banned

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    OK, count the number of Christians in the world. count the number of Muslims. count the number of Jews. count the number of Budhists. Count the number of atheists. There ya go. Count the number of people who have experienced the Holy Spirit. Count the number of NDE experoences. All of these things are quantifiable.
     
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  7. Neverfly Banned Banned

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    Interesting method- considering you included counting all of the people that disagree about spirituality.

    I cannot count the people who have experienced the Holy Spirit- I can only count those that claim to have experienced the Holy Spirit. Same as I can count up all the people who claim to have seen Fairies and leprechauns (A famous one is Sylvia Browne) and Loch Ness Monster and Bigfoot and Richard Hoagland saw a tiny white bunny on mars. I kid you not. He swears that the rover ran it over several times to kill it.

    So, yes- claims are quantifiable. Evidence of those claims... Not so quantifiable.
     
  8. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    Very ambiguous reply,
    you can't quantify the invisible properties in your life.
    Some existences can't be quantified, but they exist anyway.
     
  9. arauca Banned Banned

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    Yes tell me about dark matter
     
  10. Neverfly Banned Banned

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    Posts on a net forum are often necessarily short. Want details?
    I can quantify the Human Brain and what happens to it, how it responds to stimulus, how it interacts with itself, what happens when it shuts down (death), and the properties within it.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_hormones < Guess all of those are Invisible, huh?
    Perhaps you cannot quantify them because you've never bothered to study up on them. Don't assume that others are as ignorant as you are choosing to be.

    It's that stuff between your ears.

    Dark matter is a hypothesized material. You like to fall back on this as though it somehow validates your claims- It simply does not. It's not dogma or scripture- it's just a hypothesis due to EVIDENCE something your little sky daddy totally lacks. Evidence.
     
  11. Mazulu Banned Banned

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    Mostly dust, rocks and asteroids that can't be seen from earth.
     
  12. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    This is what is said:

    He compared atonement to an elephant's bathing. The elephant may take a very nice bath in the river, but as soon as it comes onto the bank, it throws dirt all over its body. What, then, is the value of its bathing?

    http://vedabase.net/noi/1/en

    Clearly, here, elephant bathing is measured by human hygienic standards.


    The NoI makes no allowance for the specific hygienic principles for elephants.
     
  13. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    I guess we will have to make sure no elephants come to hear about this then ....
     
  14. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    I guess we will have to make sure no elephants come to hear about this then ...
     
  15. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Who is "we"?
     
  16. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    everyone aside from elephants I guess (although we might have to censor asses on certain subjects too)
     
  17. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    The scriptures that you advocate may be harsher than you would like us to think.
     
  18. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Fear is me
     

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