Does God care about atheists

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Xelasnave.1947, Dec 1, 2017.

  1. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Good pont...

    But aparently God dont want perfect robots in a perfect world... God wants perfect robots in a perfect heaven.!!!
     
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  3. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    What is God without love? Supposed...God.

    What is life without cancer?
     
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  5. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Hell... even if it woudnt cause anybody to beleive that God is real... why wont God at least make it imposible for humans to have a desire to molest/rape children.???
     
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  7. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    God's all about the love.
     
  8. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    I doubt there is anyone who would say cancer gives meaning to life.

    My point was I thought, rather basic: if you had the ability to create for yourself any material thing... What would you want or desire at that point?
     
  9. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    If i was a monster God id create the hot mess we have now... if i was a God of love id create life that was enjoyable for all.!!!
     
  10. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    Enjoyable for all, hm?

    What is normal for the spider is chaos for the fly.

    Unless, of course, you propose to make everyone identical, then how would you reconcile that different people have different ideas for what is enjoyable, many of which are mutually exclusive?

    It isn't a simple problem... Just look to The Matrix to see that - the first Matrix failed because it was too idyllic. Humanity seems to need strife to be content. An... Odd... crisis of self it would seem.
     
  11. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Woud you at least prefer a God who created life as we know it except that any desire to molest children woud be eliminated.???
     
  12. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    Insofar as I am aware, that desire was not part of the original design (Adam nor Eve). Perhaps an unintended flaw in our cognitive faculties that allowed such things to come to exist? I cannot say.
     
  13. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Woud you at least prefer a God who created life as we know it except that any desire to molest children woud never occur.???
     
  14. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    No, quite the opposite. The point is, if you don't appreciate the life you have now, why bother with an eternity of life.
     
  15. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    In the context of this discussion i dont know what you'r gettin at... please give an example of what you mean.!!!
     
  16. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    You seem to be disturbed by the state of affairs. Maybe I'm wrong.
     
  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    But this isn't just any old charlatan. There's no precedent in modern times.
    Today, people don't believe "miracles" they see because those miracles are fake.
    This one would not be.
    He could literally go before the United Nations and heal people of cancer on-stage. It would not be cloaked in mystery.
    He would not be subject to the old adage "a magician never does his tricks twice."
     
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  18. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I can't answer for anyone else but this one is obvious. If you aren't happy this hour, why would you want to be unhappy for an eternity of hours.

    I don't agree with the logic, given this subject matter (religion) because the true believers believe that things will be different in heaven but his statement is quite clear.
     
  19. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    Then why do we still have rather large groups that refuse to believe demonstrable facts, such as the Earth is Round, abstinence only education does not reduce teen pregnancy, etc? We cannot agree to believe non-paranormal facts even with good evidence... Why would we do any better with something this foundation shaking?

    I just don't see humanity being accepting, no matter the evidence provided.
     
  20. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Hopfully that answrs his queston.!!!
     
  21. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Except, of course, we know the Adam & Eve story is not true. (Don't get me started on the use of the word "design" here? Or an omniscient omnipotent being accidently creating an unintended flaw?)

    The rationalizations people will go through to protect their beloved myth is interesting.
     
  22. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    But yet, we still tell people that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Why should this be the exception?
     
  23. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    The Flat Earth Society does not constitute humanity.

    I agree, there'd be chaos. Of course. But IMO, the difference between fake and real is not a a mere quantitative difference, say between 80% convincing and 90% convincing. It's a qualitative difference. One could actually say 'well what can I do that would convince you?'

    Regardless, it's an intractable question. Neither of us are really wrong.
     
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