Does God and his --- Obey or Die law--- say that Christians are to be slaves forever?

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  1. Mazulu Banned Banned

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    I really enjoyed the video. It was inspiring. Thank you.
     
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  5. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Things have improved even more since that was done.

    In the last 20 years we have pulled a full billion people out of poverty and they estimate that we will pull another billion up in the next 20 years. When we consider that poverty adds a lot of evil to the world, we can know that much evil will disappear in the next 20 years.

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  7. cole grey Hi Valued Senior Member

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    Also, there is certainly not one traditional view of hell. Dante's ideas of levels of hell don't coincide with shorthand fundamentalist definition, but are certainly quite traditional. I think it is peculiar that a person has to disregard not only views that supplant the traditional view, but also a traditional view in order to make the point that hell is a certain way and not some other way. Basically above I read, "disregarding how you may see hell, but going by my definition, how do YOU feel about hell?" Reminds me of that old joke that goes, "...but enough about me... What do YOU think about me?"
     
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    You need more google, I already know there are multiple passages that have slave and also many that have son, some say bride, some say friend. I don't know of ANY that specifically say, "you aren't a son, you are a slave", or "you aren't a friend, you are a slave," but there are at least a few few that say, "you aren't a slave, you are something else."
     
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    I think they do in a way. Let's say the father is an alcoholic, doesn't support the kid, and the kid doesn't get an education.
    Also, a society punishes the members when distant ancestors screw up by not being a decent society. So essentially choices of grandfathers do affect grandchildren.
     
  10. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Not quite up to par with a curse from God.

    Yours is quite the hypocritical answer that does not speak to the issue at all.
    You must think that people here are stupid and will not recognize your hypocrisy.

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  11. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    There goes that fancy of yours again!
     
  12. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    How can there be "attachment to the self"?!

    There may be attachment to a particular idea about the self.

    But to criticize being "attached to oneself" (a logical and grammatical impossibility) is like criticizing your nose for being a nose.


    Who or what do you think you are then, that you believe death could change you?


    It is impossible to do justice to talking about hell without remembering Rimbaud's take on it!
     
  13. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Sounds like you are a very fervent believer in your version of Christianity.
     
  14. Dazz Registered Senior Member

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    I will try to shorten it. 1 No, 2 No, 3 No, 4 Yes.
    Your point is clear and undeniable, yet based on misunderstandment i think.
    Of course hell is a moral construct. Would you do something bad if you knew that you would get into Self Human Combustion eternally? Still, hell as we depict comes from the 1321 Divine Comedy (bet it!). And we know that that piece derives from the fundamentalist Bible concept of death, ressurection, judgement and punishment.
    The Bible speaks about a pre-ressurection of the people who didn't have the chance to meet Jesus or serve him, and, a second chance of serving him to the ones who didn't do it the first time. Acts 24:15; Genesis 37:35.
    Point being, the hell as we know is a human moral construct, another metaphor in the Christian mythology, that we have created to keep our misdeeds at bay. The Bible does not say anything, as far as i know, about hell exactly, just hades or Sheol and gehena.
    I have little to no knowledge on the Apocrypha but i bet it doesn't say anything about hell either.
     
  15. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Who is "we"?
     
  16. cole grey Hi Valued Senior Member

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    first of all, do you know what "hypocritical" means?
    secondly, i see nothing strange at all about calling natural consequence a "curse", although there may have been some examples of a curse of God that were actually supernatural events, which interfered with the normal workings of physics, society, and psychology. Cursing the sons of someone in the bible to be wanderers, or whatever, is of course viewable as the result of some person's choice to disregard their family responsibility, for example. It is extremely difficult to parse pieces of the metaphysical and say exactly what is metaphor and what is not, but your response is understandable since you have already stated you are not interested in including any definitions that do not coincide with your own.
     
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    Are you kidding? I absolutely would love if hate disappeared in a cohesive manner.
     
  18. Dazz Registered Senior Member

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    @wynn
    "We" as us, the group of people who have an even archaic comprehension of the 'hell' as depicted by the bible or, have no more than the common knowledge of the subject. Pretty much anyone.
     
  19. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    The world doesn't begin and end with people who've grown up with some Christian notions.
    Apparently, you aren't aware of, say, Buddhist or Hindu ideas of hell.
     
  20. Dazz Registered Senior Member

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    @wynn
    Umm. Actually no, i am not acquainted with the Hindu or Buddhist notions of hell. My bad, shame to admit. Still, do i have to right now?

    " Does God and his --- Obey or Die law--- say that Christians are to be slaves forever?*

    If not, when does your slavery to God or Satan end?


    In a discussion of God’s murder of Adam and Eve, a Christian said the following.

    “My understanding is that they were created innocent with the hope of the reward for life if they obeyed and the consequence of death if they didn't.”

    What this Christian said I believe is true Christian dogma and tradition.

    I believe that it basically shows Christians with characters or egos that want to be or will settle for perpetual slavery.
    As Paul says, be a slave to sin or a slave to God.

    My reply was basic and true to his, ---- Obey or die, statement.

    “IOW. Be my slave and do as you are told or die.”


    If true, then who in their right mind would or should ever want to be a Christian?

    Do Christians want to be free men and women or slaves to a God who creates us ill and demands we be well, ----- or suffer his punishment of death?
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    Take a guess, i'm not going to bold Christian on this text down for you.
    Whenever the subject is the Buddhist or Hindu notion of hell i will not get into discussion.
     
  21. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    I agree that hell does not exist.

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  22. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    You keep saying "we" and propose to mean the whole of mankind, when, clearly, people of different religions have quite different notions of hell.
     
  23. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    You think yin and yang enemies but they are there to complement each other. Lose one and the other stagnates or disappears altogether.
    Jus as love is complimented by hate.

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