Of course they are not PROOF of evolution. Proof is possible only within the realm of mathematics. ID, Intelligent Design, is ruled out by many physiological facts. For one (of many) examples, the design of the human retina.* It supports SD, Stupid Design, not ID, if creatures were designed. I.e. the light sensitive cells are the last layer the light comes to. Before light can get there it must pass thru the network of nerves that bring the firing pulses of each photo-detection cell to the eye's "blind spot" - that location where these individual nerves merge to form the optical nerve and exit the eye. Even worse the light must also pass thru all the net of blood vessels that bring oxygen to the photo sensitive cells. Intelligent Design would have the photo sensitive cells be the first layer of the retina the light comes to, as it is in the octopus, and these supporting structures be the last layer at back of the retina. Perhaps the IDer was still learning his trade when designing man and corrected his stupidity by time he got around to designing the octopus? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ----------- Thoracic outlet syndrome, a medical problem, is also caused by stupid design. Both the nerves and blood vessels that are going to your arm first go up and over the collar bone instead of more directly. Read about it here: http://www.nationalpainfoundation.org/articles/422/overview Here is a brief compressed quote: "... The main artery and vein and the entire nerve supply to the arm are located in this space - just above your collar bone and outside of your front neck muscle. ... Thoracic outlet syndrome can refer to symptoms caused by compression of the artery, the vein, or the nerves to the arm. All types of TOS are caused by bony or non-bony structures pushing against the vein, artery, or nerves, interfering with their normal function. ..." Note this is from a publication by the National Pain Foundation as if the nerves are pinched due to this SD over the collar bone instead of under it, the pain appears to be coming from your arm. Both these flaws are related to evolutionary history. For example the retina is actually brain tissue that migrated to the evolving eye in the first few months of fetal development. The "wrong path" (over instead of under) the collar bone was the shorter, correct path in ancient ancestors. Unfortunately, micro evolution is a sequence of very minor changes and cannot produce any "jumps" such as from one side of the collar bone to the other. So humans (and many other creatures) are still stuck with this old bad design.** There are many other proofs that the ID did not create modern life, but I admit some SD may have created man, although there is no evidence for that. If man was created, it was by the SD, not the ID. - That man evolved is more likely as there is huge body of evidence supporting evolution as fact. * Other than this "discrete structural stupidity", which micro-evolution cannot change, the eye is an almost perfect optical instrument. For example, the size, number and density of photo cells in the fovea are perfectly matched to the physical optics resolution limit of the wide open iris, but these are things that can evolve to be optimal by infinitesimally tiny steps over millions of years, it need be. Flipping front to back sides of the retina can not be achieved in the infinitesimally tiny steps of micro-evolution so humans are stuck with SD. **The giraffe has a very bad “design.” Most of the nerves, even from the top of his neck, first make their way down to pass under its “collar bone” and them go back up that long neck to the brain!!!! What a stupid a design. – Well not really, as giraffes were not “designed” - they evolved from shorter neck creatures, which had these nerves going under the bone that would evolve into the collar bone.