Does Common Descent Follow Logically From Darwin's Four Postulates?

Discussion in 'Biology & Genetics' started by Eugene Shubert, May 10, 2017.

  1. Eugene Shubert Registered Senior Member

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    You must be referring to the puerile arguments that you can't answer.
    So in which post did you identify the law that prevents an oak tree from evolving into an unthinking loathsome creature with exactly your DNA as it exists at this very moment? Post # please?

    Feel free to jump in exchemist to help billvon answer honestly.
     
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  3. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Post 246.

    BTW thank you for posting the basis of the method we use to validate that humans and bananas share a common ancestor.
     
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  5. Eugene Shubert Registered Senior Member

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    The second law of thermodynamics essentially says that the fantastically improbable doesn't happen, which is not a fundamental law of physics.
     
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  7. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    So you asked for a law. I posted a law. Now you claim it's not a "fundamental law."

    In that case let me ask you a question. What law prohibits you from changing from a clueless creationist to an intelligent, informed poster?

    (And again, thanks for posting the basis of the method we use to validate that humans and bananas share a common ancestor.)
     
  8. Eugene Shubert Registered Senior Member

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    So in the language of inheritable, maximally-magical molecules that live charmed lives by definition, common descent isn't testable because any life form could eventually produce any other kind of life form. Consequently, common descent is not falsifiable and Darwinism is not a science.
     
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  9. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    Why do you keep bring up the falsified Eugene molecule?
    Evolution is falsifiable.
    Evolution is only questioned by blinded religious zelots or idiots. I have notice that there is alot of overlap in those 2 groups.

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  10. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Correct. If you add your imaginary magic Eugene molecules to any theory it becomes untestable because they don't exist.
    Common descent is indeed falsifiable. Find one organism with a completely different method of encoding genetic information and it is proven false.

    So can you find that one organism? Millions have been studied. Surely it shouldn't be hard to find that one organism that proves common descent false.
     
  11. Eugene Shubert Registered Senior Member

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    So you don't know the difference between evolution and common descent. Fasicinating.
     
  12. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    Not a single thing you have written is fascinating nor even minimally thought provoking. Just a typical troll wasting everyones time.
     
  13. Eugene Shubert Registered Senior Member

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    If two or more distinct life forms developed independently such that each of those life forms could eventually evolve into each other, then there would be no way to determine the original number of distinct life forms. Consequently, and for that reason, common descent is not falsifiable.
     
  14. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    Billvon is absolutely correct. I assume this is just your trolling with your mind numbingly stupid dismisal of his point. I would hate to think you are that lost...
     
  15. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    I asked you to find a single organism with a completely different method of encoding genetic information. That would prove common descent false. Can you do it? Simple question.
     
  16. Eugene Shubert Registered Senior Member

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    If two or more distinct life forms developed independently such that each of those life forms could eventually evolve into each other, then how could we determine the original number of distinct life forms? Simple question.
     
  17. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    I will answer your question once you answer mine.

    I asked you to find a single organism with a completely different method of encoding genetic information. That would prove common descent false. Can you do it?
     
  18. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    That's impossible. Even convergent evolution doesn't say that their DNA will be identical. But it does leave clues to it's origins. Common descent from a single life form is a reasonable conclusion from available DNA.
     
  19. Eugene Shubert Registered Senior Member

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    Conceivably, all organisms that can possibly exist can only encode genetic information essentially one way. Thus, you may be following a non-falsifiable religion.
     
  20. Eugene Shubert Registered Senior Member

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    Thanks for confirming my claim of non-falsifiability.
     
  21. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    So you cannot answer my simple question. No wonder you don't understand common ancestry.

    And again, thank you for posting the basis of the method we use to validate that humans and bananas share a common ancestor.
     
  22. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    That's not true, we already know about alternative methods of encoding biological information like RNA.
    It is a falsifiable theory. DNA carries a kind of history of it's development, and it's impossible for two organisms to arise in identical conditions. Even identical twins are different.
     
  23. Eugene Shubert Registered Senior Member

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    Let's see a picture of the complete animal. How was it created? Where is it living now?
     

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