Does Common Descent Follow Logically From Darwin's Four Postulates?

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  1. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Fuck off.
     
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  3. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    If you mean can a population of one species of animal evolve into a completely different species over time - then the answer is of course they can!
     
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  5. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    Statistics.
     
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  7. Eugene Shubert Valued Senior Member

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    As I already pointed out, ordinarily, water in a glass doesn't start boiling away, leaving ice cubes behind. It's just a question of probability.
     
  8. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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  9. Eugene Shubert Valued Senior Member

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  10. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    If you think that evolution can happen instantaneously - then you do not understand evolution.

    You are arguing more and more from ignorance. "I do not understand DNA, therefore it is magic."
     
  11. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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  12. Eugene Shubert Valued Senior Member

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    Didn't you read my quote from Darwin assuring us that evolution occurs in slow, sure steps? I assure you, my game also requires small, incremental changes per iteration.
     
  13. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Yes. You quoted it but you didn't understand it. A parrot can quote Shakespeare - he just doesn't understand it.
     
  14. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Just the rules of sanity

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  15. Eugene Shubert Valued Senior Member

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    Likewise, Sanford's Genomic Degeneration Theorem also requires Darwin's small, incremental changes per iteration.
     
  16. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Seriously I wouldn't boast about it

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  17. Eugene Shubert Valued Senior Member

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    As a quantum creationist, I'm not ashamed of fantastically improbable events. It's simply believing in modern science. As I see it, there is nothing more shameful than willful ignorance.
     
  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Then abandon your willful ignorance and come into the light of knowledge. Support your claims with facts rather than magical thinking. Throw away the dogma that has been force-fed to you and engage your intellect to better understand the world.

    Fact: DNA is not magic. It's just a molecule that is pretty good at storing information in the form of base pair sequences.
    Fact: New species arise all the time without "quantum creation" being involved.
    Fact: People and bananas evolved from the same parent organism.
     
  19. Eugene Shubert Valued Senior Member

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    I'm still waiting for a link to the most persuasive and most elementary evidence, combined with reasoning, that demonstrates that you have an ancestor whose descendants eventually evolved into plain, ordinary bananas. How long must I wait for this?

    Definition
    ancestor
    2. Biology. the actual or hypothetical form or stock from which an organism has developed or descended.
    3. an object, idea, style, or occurrence serving as a prototype, forerunner, or inspiration to a later one.
     
  20. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    You owe my a new irony meter, you just blew mine up.
     
  21. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    You already have it. To repeat it:

    We share the same basic DNA structure and many of the same DNA sequences as plants (like bananas.) Further observation of molecular clocks allow us to assign a rough time to the point at which our ancestors split into the Opisthokonta (later leading to man) and the Primoplantae (later leading to bananas) kingdoms. (Alternatively Plantae and Animalia; choose your favorite taxonomy.) This happened about 1.6 billion years ago based on molecular timing.

    Further observations reveal a great many organisms that share characteristics of both kingdoms (like euglena, which exhibits both chorophyll-based food synthesis and self-propulsion via flagella.)

    A good visual aid if you are still having trouble:
    http://thumbnails.visually.netdna-cdn.com/the-great-tree-of-life_505ba0c07cda2.gif
     
  22. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    You don't understand modern science. You probably believe that it is possible 2 pool balls to pass through each other, "because that's what quantum mechanics tells us!"
     
  23. Eugene Shubert Valued Senior Member

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    Yet your refusal to answer post #220 suggests that you have doubts.
     

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