Does A Prism Imply The Existence Of An Aether Field

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  1. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Rainbows don't follow the same route as Earth's magnetic field lines.
     
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  3. Zeno Registered Senior Member

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  5. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    The Sagnac effect provides no evidence for an aether.
     
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  7. Uno Hoo Registered Senior Member

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    Pope JamesR has uttered an edict.

    And JamesR is eager and willing and able to explain how and why Sagnac proves there is no aether.

    Your move, JamesR:
     
  8. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    I'll wait until somebody tries to explain why the Sagnac effects proves there is an ether first. There's little point in wasting time proving negatives.
     
  9. Zeno Registered Senior Member

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    Light which circumnavigates the globe and returns back to its starting point doesn't travel at c relative to the observers on the Earth. Needless to say I was shocked when I first learned this.
     
  10. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    Just how do you propose light circumnavigates? Light bends around mass, sure, we see gravitational lensing effects because of this, but light will not orbit the Earth, ....... I think you'll find that light goes a little faster than escape velocity!
     
  11. Zeno Registered Senior Member

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    Go out at night, bring a flashlight, point the flashlight to the east and turn it on. Turn around face the west and turn on the flashlight once again. You will find that the light travelling eastwardly travels away from you more slowly than the light travelling westwardly. The light travels at a constant speed relative to some kind of aether while the earth spins within it.
     
  12. RJBeery Natural Philosopher Valued Senior Member

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    April Fools?
     
  13. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Yeah. Zeno must be just joking, because actual measurements have been done, and what he wrote is not in fact true.
     
  14. Zeno Registered Senior Member

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagnac_effect

    Sorry, no joke.
     
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  15. RJBeery Natural Philosopher Valued Senior Member

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    Umm, having the signal travel a shorter distance as it moves one direction around the planet than the other direction around the planet due to the Earth's rotation is grossly different from your statement that the light itself leaving a flashlight is traveling at a different speed depending upon which direction you point it.

    An analogy would be in the game of duck-duck-goose, the person who is "it" runs around the circle but in this case is being chased by two children, one going in either direction. It can be clearly seen that the child running in the opposite direction will make the tag before the other and that does not imply that he/she is a faster runner.
     
  16. Zeno Registered Senior Member

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    The distance around the Earth is the same whether the Earth is rotating or not, also it is the same in either direction. So, therefore, if it completes the journey in more/less time it is moving more slowly/quickly around the Earth. So, maybe you would like to explain where the extra distance is coming from?
     
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  17. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    So you can't read (or understand) what you yourself posted?
    Look at the Wiki quote again and read the italicised sentence: it states EXACTLY where extra/ less distance comes from.
     
  18. Zeno Registered Senior Member

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    Yes. The extra distance comes from more 'aether' that the light must move through.
     
  19. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Wrong.
     
  20. Zeno Registered Senior Member

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    Correct. The receiver moves relative to the aether that the light is moving through. It isn't moving relative to the surface of the Earth.
     
  21. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    The receiver that is on the surface of the Earth moves as the Earth rotates.
    Therefore in one direction it will approach the transmission point at its own speed, and in the other direction it is "running away".
    You can get exactly the same effect timing someone on a merry-go round.
    No ether required.
     
  22. stereologist Escapee from Dr Moreau Registered Senior Member

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    Zeno you miss the point. The light is not free to move. It is being forced to move around the earth in this example. The light is not moving in a straight line. No aether assumptions are necessary and make no sense.
     
  23. Zeno Registered Senior Member

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    What is it moving relative to?
     

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