Do you think that AI will ever feel emotions?

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Self organizing because of the physical three dimensional structure geometry of these crystals .

 

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And therefore what ? Arithmetic is based on the physical . Geometry is based on the physical . The physical is the basis of mathematics .

 

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The logical rules of mathematics guide the physical pattern formations.

Mathematical laws transcend physics. In the end there is no "irreducible complexity" and the physical is always reducible down to the metaphysical.
Physical objects are patterns and physical patterns are reducible to metaphysical values.

 

We have been through this before Write4U , you are wrong on both statements .

 

You know my position. I believe in a "beginning" from nothing, the absolute reduced permittive condition.

Your claim is that the physical has always existed. That is illogical, IMO

 

This forum is not about "positions" and "personal beliefs".

Please heed the subject of the forum and the thread topic.

 

From your post#806

Your wrong again . On all three thoughts . None make sense .

 

OK. I challenge you to describe the original eternal physical objects or patterns.

Wait, remove the term "original" and change the phrase to "eternal physical objects".

 

Particles and waves . In both Heat energy and Cold energy .

 

Wrong. None of that existed before the BB

First, "cold" is the absence of energy.

Is cold energy real?

https://www.chicagotribune.com/redeye/redeye-theres-no-such-thing-as-cold-20160126-story.html

Second, "heat" is created by colliding atoms and atoms have not always existed.

Try again.....

 

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In mathematics . But to the physical they absolutely do, for infinity . BB is mathematical theory . Which reduces to nothing . Which is nonsense .
First "cold" is the absence of energy.

Absolute zero .

 

Nope. Before the Big Bang there was nothing. No space, no time, no energy.

Again, no. It is a physics based theory. In fact, we don't have the math to describe what happened in the first 10-43 seconds of the universe; none of the cosmological constants were settled yet, so the math is effectively impossible. The four forces hadn't even separated out yet.

 

Yes, the absence of everything.
Try again.....

 

This makes sense to you ? Doesn't to me .

Define nothing .

 

That is assuming that mathematics are dependent on physical dynamics.
The the question arises if origins was physics based what physical stuff was there before the BB.?
OTOH if we use the concept of an eternal meta-physical mathematical logic , then we don't need physical stuff to arrive at physics.

IMO, unless one accepts the concept of irreducible complexity (physical patterns) the only alternative is a non-physical permittive condition without energy of any kind. Energy is a result of dynamic physical motion. But Logic is independent of physics.

Unless I hear a persuasive argument that there was a dynamic physical condition before the BB , there is not alternative choice.

 

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There was never a before the BB. Everything always was . No beginning no end .

 

Sorry, there was a beginning. We can see the echo of the creation of the universe.

Nothing. No dimensions, no energy, no matter, no time. Nothing. It's not anything humans could perceive.

Doesn't really matter if it makes sense to you or not. I mean, women's shoes don't make sense to me. Doesn't mean they don't exist.

 

There was none.

 

Absolute permittiveness of everything.