Denial of Evolution VII (2015)

Discussion in 'Biology & Genetics' started by davewhite04, Jan 5, 2015.

  1. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    And the chimp that evolves is still a primate. He - or she - is related to the other members of the order Primates, which is also seen in broad areas of conserved genetic sequence. Primates, in turn, resemble other members of the Mammalian. Mammals resemble other tetrapods. Etc.

    And that genetic similarity much reflects morphological differentiation. And so - macroevolution is inferred. Not every scientific finding comes from observable evidence. When was the last time you saw an electron, or a quark? Have you, personally, spotted a black hole?
     
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  3. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    it isn't "any gap at all", these gaps are typical of the record, you know, the norm?
    there is an explanation for this geoff . . . somewhere.
    the thing about DNA analysis is that DNA is common to ALL lifeforms.
    this, in my opinion, makes it uber easy to draw false statistical conclusions.
    here we go . . .

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  5. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Of course: fossils form very rarely. Some taxa might make no fossils at all. It's not an easy thing. The ones we have a-plenty we certainly have for a reason: they're already solid.

    All organisms have length, too: so would it similarly be a huge statistical danger to collect information on length, because all organisms have length? One could draw the false statistical conclusion that a blue whale is longer at adulthood than a mouse. The relative similarity of DNA sequence in putatively related forms compared to putatively unrelated forms is what's important: a series of regressions. Morphologically closely related species should be more closely related via DNA - and are. I expect you've noticed all those popular press articles that cite limited DNA differences between, say, Homo sapiens and Neanderthals compared to that between mice and men.

    I was just inferring your direction. Will it be no God then today, sir?
     
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  7. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    It's been done with bacteria. Also fruit flies have shown speciation under laboratory conditions. To say that "something" is still a "something" is an artifact of language only.
     
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  8. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    So if you consider the evidence weak then can you provide stronger evidence that a god was involved? It seems that in a jigsaw puzzle the evolution piece would fit quite nicely to explain man, since it works perfectly for the rest of nature (huge precedent), and we have no reason to suspect man is not part of nature.

    To postulate a god instead of evolution is without precedent or rational basis. If you are arguing against a weak argument then is not your position by far the weakest and most ludicrous?
     
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  9. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    The scientific method to establish a scientific theory requires observation.

    But my stance is that macro evolution is true, but it might not take as long as the scientific community thinks.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_explosion
     
  10. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    So I've just read. Like I have just said, I firmly believe in evolution, even cosmic evolution.
     
  11. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    I think evolution is true Cris, I'm simply referring to the classic scientific method. I don't want my daughter brought up not questioning things like evolution. Evolution is a god to a huge number of the faithless, and I want my daughter to question that cult. After all a better explanation to how diversity occurred on this living planet might just be around the corner.
     
  12. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    It's one of the most successful theories in all of science. It underpins all of biology. What more do you want? It's not a cult, it has fans, because it explains so much and has been confirmed so many times by no less than all of the evidence.
     
  13. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Observation doesn't mean you have to see the whole thing occurring in real time.
     
  14. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Repeating the process has to be done also, shall we get the latest results in 200k years? As far as my beliefs I currently do believe in evolution, I just think it happened quicker.
     
  15. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    i'm sure it does, given the fact that DNA is at the heart of ALL living matter.
    i don't know.
    well see geoff, that's the thing.
    as of 1983 they haven't found any transitional fossils
    as a matter of fact, the fossil record was so incomplete that a panel of scientists concluded "accumulating small changes" is not the status quo.
    now, what was you taught in school?

    fraudulent horseshit if i ever seen it.
     
  16. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Repeating results just means that we make predictions about what would happen if evolution were true. It can be confirmed with multiple examples. We don't have to wait 200K years.

    What do you mean by quicker?
     
  17. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Every fossil is transitional. There are only relative periods of apparent stasis, but that only applies to physical appearance. Things evolve in multiple ways including resistance to disease and the like that aren't apparent in a fossil. Beyond that, multiple transitions have been recorded including the transition from ape to human, the evolution of whales, the evolution of horses, the evolution of birds, and many others.
     
  18. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    This give you an idea of what I mean by quicker:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_explosion
     
  19. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    How come there are apes today but no living member of some 100k year old type men about?
     
  20. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    There are quite a lot fewer ape species too. And living at the same time as modern humans there was another homonid species living in Indonesia.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_floresiensis
     
  21. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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  22. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    you know the story, for you to make an attempt like this is ludicrous.
    there is no evidence that one rat can turn into a rabbit or whatever.
    there is no data at all on how long this proposed process takes.

    so, what gives?
    we've been following sound logic, but it isn't jiving with the evidence.
    think spidergoat, think.
     
  23. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    I think you don't know what you're talking about. ALL of the evidence points to the fact that species turn into other species. It would be far more amazing if that didn't happen, we would have to wonder how anything survives if it can only change in minor ways.
     

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