I, Norsefire, challenge James R to this debate, using standard rules. The debate will focus on democracy and democratic ideas, and I will argue the notion that "rule by the people" is counter-productive. This is an argument against democracy and also republicanism, as it follows democratic principles. This debate will be about principle and ideal, and not about historical examples. It is rather about the philosophy of democracy itself. I will argue against democracy from the perspective that freedom is desirable, and also from the perspective that order and stability are desirable. Further negotiations as to terms can now take place.