Define Time

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  1. jpinto Registered Member

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    How can some define time?
     
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  3. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Time exists as a mathematical quantity (same as space). Time is not a physical quantity in terms that anything depends on it. Nothing in our physical universe depends on time as well as on space (location), as well as on velocity, and on some other "purely mathematical" so to speak quantities.

    This "physical non-existence" of such mathematical quantities is called "shift symmetry (of time, of space, of velocity, of phase, etc)" and is expressed by simple equation: F (t)=F (t+t1). It means, that nothing changes if you shift in time (or in space, or in velocity) any physical process - no observable difference whatsoever.

    We call this symmetry term the "energy conservation law,” and "momentum conservation law" for space non-existence (shift symmetry), and "special relativity" for velocity non-existence (shift symmetry), “charge conservation” for phase non-existence, etc.)

    Because nothing depends on time, there is no absolute time. No time stones, no other marks indicating time. The only way of "measuring" this mathematical quantity is to take any periodic process say, a pendulum, or a string, or a light bouncing between mirrors, or an electron oscillating in an atom, etc - then call the device a "clock device" or simply "clock”, then take TWO measurements of numbers of oscillations say, at two different locations, or at 2 different gravity environments, or at 2 different states of motion, etc., then take a RATIO of these two numbers (can't be one number because time is not absolute) and then label this ratio as "relative rate of one time versus another" or "rate of time versus reference clock rate", or "time in conventional units of time" or "accurate time" or simply "time".

    Time used to be defined via pendulum, then via quarts crystal oscillations, then via Cs electron oscillation, and soon via H electron oscillation.

    This is how time is measured, and in that essence, how time is therefore DEFINED and understood.
     
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  5. jpinto Registered Member

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    Has anyone ever discussed that time may be a force in each particle?
     
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  7. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    "When an individual thinks about the events in his life, he can order them using criteria of before and after. He can assign numbers to the events in such a way that he considers an event with a larger number to have happened after an event with a smaller number.

    A device called a clock is a mechanism, which provides a systematic way of assigning such numbers to events.

    The concept of time cannot be analyzed beyond the above, and if you want a definition of before and after, you are being too pedantic for me."

    --Einstein
     
  8. jpinto Registered Member

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    There is no before, just now

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  9. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    there seems to be some debate about time. There are as I see it two forms of time.
    1) time that is measured as it passes and
    2) time that is future and past.

    Einstein with the use of his light cones describes light ray invariance as being so simply because the ray exists between the future and the past in all reference frames. In doing so he has determined that the "Now" is determined by light.

    The now for every observer is relative, light velocity being invariant to all observers regardless of the velocity of the observer. In some ways he is saying that the now is always the now regardless of observer velocity however each observer has his own relative now.

    So time has two facets......time as in seconds and hours and time as in future and past. And of course our "now" which is in the center of time with our humble photon.

    The question is : How much time does the "now" have? The answer is of course zero.
     
  10. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    If Einstien said this it is no wonder there is confusion about time.....he actually states that his theory of relativity is too pedantic for even him.

    His whole basis for invariance and relative frames is built around his concepts of furture and past is it not?

    Anything traveling in excess of 'c' will reverse time.

    'c' is the maximum speed limit imposed simply becasue to exceed it would reverse time. What does reverse time mean except for what it means.?

    May be I am wrong but this is what I have come to understand.
     
  11. jpinto Registered Member

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    I need to read more about invariance and relative frames.

    We all draw a imaginari line when thinking about time, but time may be
    just a force that holds mater, so there is no "back" and no "forward".
     
  12. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    jpinto

    Was there something wrong with my definition? Is there anywhere in that definition that states time is a force?
     
  13. jpinto Registered Member

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    I'm at the wrong forum at the wrong TIME

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  14. TheSayer Registered Member

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    i want a diagram
     
  15. gentle Registered Senior Member

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    "Framework to the theory of everything!"

    Spacetime may not be the true way to understand the relationship between the concepts of matter, energy, time, space and speed. Relativity is the comparasion of two or more points of origin mass to energy transfer between bound matter (potential energy) and unbound matter (kenetic energy) the Gravity wave ( space). That is to say that matter evaporates, decays, into the gravitational wave creating the resulting continious actions of space, time and gravitational wave sychronization. Space is the gravitational wave being freed to its lowest form of matter. Time is the cosmological constant -the evaporation rate of matter. There is no real curved spacetime. It is gravitational wave sychronization, gravitational waves aligning through the path of least resistance that brings matter together, that is responsible time and space distortion as the waves elongate just as the dopler effect works in sounds. Instead of the sound wave being shortened or elongated when compared to moving objects the gravity wave is shortened or lengthened, red-blue shift which affects not the action of sound but the actions of time and space. Gravitational wave sychronization of bodies in motion change the relationship of the gravitational waves with respect to each other and the resulting actions of time and space change.Time and space are actions created by each discrete piece of matter as the matter evaporates into the gravitational wave. Space is the unfolding of matter. Time is the resulting action of the rate of evaporation of the gravitational wave. Relativity- Point of origin mass to energy transfer in wave form of bodies in motion Newton- Einstein- How it all works!
    When you have eliminated all other possibilities, Sherlock Holmes instructed, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the answer.
    Part of a paper-Copyright @ 2003, All Rights reserved. Time is a verb! It is the measure of an action. This is part of the story, a lite overview of things to be known in future time.
     
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  16. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Relativity is the comparasion of two or more points of origin mass to energy transfer between bound matter (potential energy) and unbound matter (kenetic energy) the Gravity wave ( space). That is to say that matter evaporates, decays, into the gravitational wave creating the resulting continious actions of space, time and gravitational wave sychronization.

    That description of Relativity appears to be somewhat different than the classical definition? Or is that how you perceive Relativity? Or have you re-written Relativity and no one invited me to the wrap party?
     
  17. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
     
  18. jpinto Registered Member

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    exacly, the big crash
     
  19. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    How about:
    A quantification of a change of state.
    ?
     
  20. gentle Registered Senior Member

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    I have rewritten most of the rules to redefine the true aspects of the problems in order to solve unresolved conflicts.
     
  21. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Time was found in the Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary at the entries listed below.

    * time (MINUTES/DAYS/YEARS)
    * time (PERIOD)
    * time (PARTICULAR POINT)
    * time (SUITABLE POINT)
    * time (OCCASION)
    * time (HISTORICAL PERIOD)
    * time (MUSIC)
    * timer
    * timeshare
    * access time
    * all-time
    * the big time (SUCCESS)
    * big time (GREATLY)
    * big-time (MOST SUCCESSFUL)
    * British Summer Time
    * daylight saving time
    * double time
    * drinking-up time
    * Eastern Standard Time
    * extra time
    * first-time buyer
    * full-time (WORK/EDUCATION)
    * full time (SPORTS)
    * good-time girl
    * Greenwich Mean Time
    * half-time
    * injury time
    * just-in-time
    * lead time
    * lighting-up time
    * local time
    * long-time
    * night-time
    * Old Father Time
    * old-time
    * one-time
    * opening time
    * part-time
    * prep-time
    * prime time
    * quality time
    * real-time
    * reduced time
    * short time
    * sidereal time
    * small-time
    * space-time
    * standard time
    * starting time
    * stoppage time
    * time and a half
    * time-and-motion study
    * time bomb (BOMB)
    * time bomb (DIFFICULT SITUATION)
    * time capsule
    * time clock
    * time-consuming
    * time frame
    * time-honoured
    * time lag
    * time-lapse
    * time limit
    * time machine
    * time-out (SPORT)
    * time-out (STOP ARGUING)
    * time-poor
    * time-release
    * time-sharing
    * time sheet
    * time signal
    * time signature
    * time switch
    * time-tested
    * time travel
    * time warp
    * time zone
    * two-time
    * against time/the clock
    * better luck next time
    * live on borrowed time
    * buy time
    * in the course of time
    * in/with the course of time
    * in double-quick time
    * be like feeding time at the zoo
    * from that day/time on(wards)
    * in the fullness of time
    * Give me ... any day/every time!
    * in good time
    * make good time
    * all in good time
    * A good time was had by all.
    * kill time/an hour
    * the last time
    * Long time no see.
    * make time
    * make up for lost time
    * many a time
    * be (only) a matter of time
    * the mists of time
    * at this moment in time
    * in the nick of time
    * any minute/moment/second/time now
    * once upon a time
    * in your own time
    * pass the time of day
    * play for time
    * have a rare old time
    * repay your effort/time/attention
    * in the right place at the right time
    * time is running out
    * at the same time
    * the sands of time are running out
    * serve time
    * in/within a short space of time
    * stand the test of time
    * step back (in time)
    * A stitch in time (saves nine).
    * take time
    * take the time
    * take your time
    * take one (thing) at a time
    * tell the time
    * a thin time (of it)
    * by this time
    * time stands still
    * for all time
    * a matter/question of time
    * of all time
    * time is on sb's side
    * (only) time will/can tell
    * Time and tide wait for no man.
    * Time's a great healer.
    * Time flies.
    * Time is money.
    * Time is of the essence.
    * Time hangs heavy.
    * all the time
    * all the time in the world
    * be (all) out of time
    * be pressed for time
    * do time
    * for a time
    * for the time being
    * have a lot of time for sb
    * have no time for sb
    * have time to kill
    * time on your hands
    * in no time
    * no time to lose
    * run out of time
    * waste time
    * ahead of time
    * at any time
    * at (any) one time
    * at your time of life
    * at the time
    * give sb the time of day
    * There's a time and a place (for everything).
    * There's no time like the present.
    * about time
    * about time (too)
    * ahead of your time
    * in time
    * bang/dead/right on time
    * the time is ripe
    * from time to time
    * give sb a hard time
    * time after time
    * time and (time) again
    * the time of your life
    * at one time
    * before your time
    * time was
    * a torrid time
    * have a whale of a time


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  22. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    I have rewritten most of the rules to redefine the true aspects of the problems in order to solve unresolved conflicts.

    You're kidding, right?

    You've done little more than make an incomprehensible assertion with no evidence, no references, no logic, no math and no understanding of the subject matter.
     
  23. RawThinkTank Banned Banned

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    Time is nothing more than change of state of matter with refrence to the initially stored in our brains.
     

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