[Dear Christians/Jews, etc.] If someone never heard of God, does he not go to heaven?

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  1. beyondtimeandspace Everlasting Student Registered Senior Member

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    The ignorant man may go to heaven, he may not. That all depends on whether he lives in good conscience.
     
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  3. SkinWalker Archaeology / Anthropology Moderator

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    Where is this alleged "heaven" and what is the evidence for it?
     
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  5. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    Spirit is only evident to the Spiritually attuned, such as John the Revelator, he describes some of what Heaven is like in Revelation, and its location is not specified, so you are out of luck in your current condition of God rejection, you cannot have a clue, but you can snap out of it if you are a seeker, but if not, you're out of luck.
     
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  7. SkinWalker Archaeology / Anthropology Moderator

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    This is the argument of intellectual cowardice. You can't define or show evidence in an intellectual discussion, so you resort to "you can't know because you don't believe." A convenience for the person making the assertion, but it does nothing for an intellectual discussion since it leaves your premises unavailable to the person who disagrees with you. Thus, the argument is one of intellectual cowardice since you're too afraid to continue the discussion on rational and intellectual grounds and can only defend it from a supernatural position.
     
  8. beyondtimeandspace Everlasting Student Registered Senior Member

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    I should rather have said "the ignorant man may enter the heavenly state." For, heaven is not a place, but a state of being. People can experience levels of heaven and levels of hell while they are living here and now.
     
  9. geeser Atheism:is non-prophet making Valued Senior Member

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    atheists come to be atheistic totally alone, they become enlightened to the truth, nobody helps them, it is a completely solo thing, done mainly through study.
    however once there they find many like minded people.
     
  10. Nickelodeon Banned Banned

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    I was only joking.
     
  11. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    You would think that if God existed, the natural state of man would be to know about him. This is an excellent argument for His non-existence.
     
  12. Nickelodeon Banned Banned

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    Except God seems to crop up all over the place, even people living far apart with no contact.
     
  13. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Truly isolated communites have their own set of myths.
     
  14. SnakeLord snakeystew.com Valued Senior Member

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    There is no natural English deity.

    Red Indians worshipped no deity. etc

    Now, you might state that these people did have forms of worship, (for trees, eagles, land and buffalo etc), but those are not "god".

    However, it's not a surprise for people that knew nothing about the world they inhabited. Very few gods are created nowadays and yet you're surprised that many, millions even, were created by ancient nitwits?
     
  15. Adstar Valued Senior Member

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    lol There are more African Christians than European ones. What about the poor European atheist who never gets to hear about Jesus from any African Missionaries.


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  16. Nickelodeon Banned Banned

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    Now maybe, what about 1500 years ago? What happened to them? Did they all go to hell?
     
  17. Diogenes' Dog Subvert the dominant cliche... Registered Senior Member

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    I never understand this thing about Hell.... God is Love!

    Any "God" who demands absolute allegiance to one religion - on pain of eternal torture (Hell) cannot be 'Love', but is a dictator - a monster like Sadaam Hussein or someone... The only honourable course is to fight the ba*tard, not worship it...?

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    I know it's now standard doctrine but I don't think the Bible does say anywhere that all non-Christians are condemned to Hell... does it? The only bit I know of is in Revelations 20 (which should be taken with a pinch of allegorical salt anyway! e.g. it envisions a physical resurrection.).

    I agree with beyondtimeandspace - Heaven and hell are states of mind... we chain ourselves by our attachments to mundane things that bring us suffering e.g. love of money, power etc. Many paths lead to us finding the scintilla animae which is within all of us, and which can free us. "You will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free".

    No doubt aboriginal peoples have their own spirituality too! In many cases (e.g. Australian aborigines), it seems more benign than our own culture/religion. We should respect it, and maybe learn from it!
     
  18. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    In an ideal world, you would realize that you are a screw-up and need a Savior.
     
  19. Positron Agony: Not all pain is gain Registered Senior Member

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    I see your point. However, you are forgetting something. first of all it is the actions made by YOU which condemn you to hell, all of the sins YOU commit. God is a god of love because he saves you from these sins. To not have god is to suffer the punishment you have built up on yourself.
     
  20. Medicine*Woman Jesus: Mythstory--Not History! Valued Senior Member

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    M*W: No. In an ideal world, there would be no screw-ups and no saviors needed.
     
  21. Adstar Valued Senior Member

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    Not sure? We will all find out one day, hey.

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    And we know that we do not live in an Ideal world and we do live in a world full of scew-ups lol

    Therefore A Savior is needed

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  23. DiamondHearts Registered Senior Member

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    In Islamic teachings, he is only liable for what he knows. Even if he hears the truth, if he rejects it because he does not understand it properly. It is God's choice. We don't have knowledge of who is going to Heaven or Hell. His beliefs must be measured along with his deeds. The most important thing is to believe in your heart that there is One God.
     

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