Darwinist's Dilemma (Are I.D. Biologists Legit?)

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  1. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    If you haven't read the book, you should. It would confirm your statements almost 100%. It's called an Evolutionary Stable Strategy. And genes that do well in the presence of other "complementary" genes and environmental influences are the ones that will be most "fit".

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  3. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I read the book the year it came out. I don't disagree with much of it, but any emphasis on genes ignores the fact that its all chance, evolution has no direction.

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    And recessive phenotypes can manifest (like webbed paws of polar bears) from mutations, thus increasing the potential adaptability of the gene pools of the respective syngameons.
     
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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    And gobbledygook to you too.:bugeye:
     
  8. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    Oops. I hope you're kidding? The mutations available for evolution to work on are random, yes (mostly horribly un-beneficial) but the selection process based on the environment (the physical and the other genetic presences) is very non-random. It is driven by unforgiving ability to survive (replicate) in a given environment and the best are selected for. Very much not random.

    "chance" is at the heart of ill-informed arguments against evolution by natural selection. Yes?
     
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    Ah shucks mam.
     
  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    When you say complementary genes, how is that driven?

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    Like syngameon?
     
  12. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    I'll refer you to the elegant analogy of the rowing team Dawkins uses in his book. Do you still have it?
     
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    Sam says "evolution has no direction," so I don't think she'll go with the rowing team deal.
     
  14. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Not with me, my books have a tendency to be borrowed, never to be returned.

    Anyway I know the example you mean, have you heard of linkage disequilibrium?

    And you forget, its a purely theoretical argument with NO evidence.

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  15. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    I think I understand what she meant. Evolution has no goal other than the survival of replicators into the next round. It has no higher "direction".

    Right sam?
     
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    How can a process (evolution) have or not have a goal? A process is not a thinking being.
     
  17. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Survival is also not a goal of evolution. Its a side effect of gene-environment interaction that works.
     
  18. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Wow you made sense, I must be more ill than I thought.

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    No, you are that ill (just kidding).
     
  20. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    As in the somewhat nonrandom frequency of certain alleles in a population? Yep. But I'm not a geneticist so I don't really know what the far reaching implications or causes of this might be.

    None? It's a testable hypothesis. Someone must have done some supporting research in the decades since he published the book?
     
  21. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    Hence the italics, meaning DO NOT TAKE LITERALLY.
     
  22. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    On behaviour as a consequence of gene complexes? I honestly don't know. I haven't delved deeply into the subject, most of my knowledge is from bits and pieces of popular science.
     
  23. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    It can't. Can we assume that we will sometimes use anthropomorphization to make a point or clarify something and dispense with the nit-picking?
     

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