Creationist disputes evolution

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by Truth1980, Oct 18, 2018.

  1. Bells Staff Member

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    And all evidence points to our having evolved.

    I have to ask, why are you even here, on a science forum?

    And creationism, the belief of a proverbial entity that exists in a place called heaven, having created all life on Earth is not absurd or "uneducated thinking"?

    Which makes more sense? Something that has been observed or a belief in a sky Daddy called God creating everything in 7 days?

    Umm..

    Since Darwin, we have found more and more evidence of evolution.

    Man, you trolls don't even try hard anymore.

    Teeth evolved, based mostly on diet.

    What kind of stupid question is this?

    Why wouldn't they be monkeys?

    Wow..

    Says the guy advocating genesis..

    I do not believe that you are a) a university student or b) that you are studying anything scientific.

    Tell that to the dinosaurs.

    Life is literally based on chance. From the chance that the sperm will make it to the egg in time, to the chance that the fertilised egg will adhere to the uterus.. To the chance that the cell division will occur properly, to the chance that the zygote and embryo will remain in place and not be expelled, and so on and so forth. The greater majority of fertilised eggs never adhere. Your being here is literally based on chance.. Luck.

    How conceited can someone be to believe that their existence, that the Earth's existence, was all somehow pre-ordained. Everything about life is about chance.

    The conditions were right for those singled celled organism to survive and evolve. That is how we came to be. Chance, luck and the right conditions.

    And yet, here we are.

    And we can all perish at anything that comes our way. You know, chance..
     
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    What field?
    Hundred bucks says you can't state the currently established Darwinian Theory of Evolution in your own words.
    You don't even know what a scientific theory is, or what it's for.
    Are you paying good money for this "university education"?
    This is America. About a third of American high school biology teachers - most of whom have four year university degrees with at least some focused instruction in biology - believe in Special Creation of some kind.

    One common workaround is something I encountered in the faculty of biological science at Cornell University
    - a university of high repute, and significant achievement, in biology and related fields; a professor with tenure and a PhD and significant publication -
    which amounted to evolution for everything except human beings.

    Human beings required Divine Intervention. The rest of the biological world - including the birds that were this guy's specialty - evolved.

    That general pattern - evolution accepted in one's own field, denied elsewhere - is common.
     
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  5. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    This person is patently not who he (and it will be a he) claims to be. The ignorance almost amounts to a self-parody of a creationist.

    I suspect he will prove to be a seagull poster - a few splodges of crap on the forum and then aak, aak, off to the next location.

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  7. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    I can sort of understand why divine intervention to imbue Man with a soul might be part of a Christian's view of creation. But I would not imagine a claim that the biology was tinkered with would be seriously believed by someone at that level - certainly not at a place like Cornell.

    Your stats on biology teachers are rather sobering, I must say.
     
  8. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Your talking about J C as the dead guy correct?

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  9. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    The agency is governed by a Board of Directors consisting of 13 clergy (most of them bishops) and 10 lay people.[3]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Relief_Services

    Who is on the board here

    https://www.crs.org/about/leadership/board-directors

    Not gone through their qualifications

    Coffee time

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  10. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    If you let me know if you walk I should be able to answer

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  11. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    we all came from a 1 in a trillion chance of coming from a primordial soup
    ..........most complex organisms in existence


    It's probably greater but we can go with 1 in a trillion

    Soooo please give the chance of a Sky Daddy hanging around eternally before PING light bulb moment "I'll make a Universe"

    Has to be less than 1 in a trillion correct?

    What's your estimate?

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  12. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    So have we. It's amazing that any of us still bother to debunk this BS - personally I no longer find it worth the effort.

    Please, do carry on for the entertainment value...
     
  13. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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  14. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    At first I thought Truth might be a photocopy Jan

    But this one seems happy to post fake truth. It is, at a very basic level, claiming it as truth or evidence about god from the god of gaps camp along with personal increduality

    Makes a difference from stonewall god is

    However the response from Truth do appear to indicate a tone deafness to evidence

    Why am I not surprised

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  15. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    From years of these kinds of reports:
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13930-16-of-us-science-teachers-are-creationists/
    Mind, that is 1 in 7 who are "young" creationists - not just Divine Intervention over geological time, which is more common yet, but complete and miraculous de novo creation of a First Man and a First Woman almost within recorded history.

    And it's country wide - Minnesota has some of the nation's best schools and highest teacher standards, with a population better educated (at least, more credentialed) than national average, but even so: https://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/08/science/08creationism.html
    No biology teacher is required to teach creationism in a Minnesota public high school. It's voluntary.
     
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  16. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    OK

    You really do need to stack any organisation if you are going to require everyone to be in lockstep

    Strange they can find others outside of the organisation to fit in

    I wonder how much of donations collected go towards
    *****
    Catholic Relief Services carries out the commitment of the Bishops of the United States to assist the poor and vulnerable overseas. We are motivated by the Gospel of Jesus Christ to cherish, preserve and uphold the sacredness and dignity of all human life, foster charity and justice, and embody Catholic social and moral teaching as we act to:

    PROMOTE HUMAN DEVELOPMENT by responding to major emergencies, fighting disease and poverty, and nurturing peaceful and just societies;

    https://www.crs.org/about/mission-statement

    ****

    and how much goes to the board plus others on creation research?

    How can you even do that? Or is the research just a rehash of statements which in essence say "it cannot happen like that (evolution)"?

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  17. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    American context, the most religious of the First World industrial countries:
    https://slate.com/technology/2015/0...us-students-cant-learn-natural-selection.html
     
  18. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    ?
    The Creation Research Society is not the same organization as the Catholic Relief Services.
     
  19. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Got it

    Cheers

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  20. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    As Iceaura points out, it is another CRS. Your link is to the Catholic Relief Services organisation, a charitable group.

    (The Catholic Church does not promote creationism.)
     
  21. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Not officially, any more.
    In practice, the Catholic faithful are almost as likely to be creationists of some kind as Muslims and Protestants.
    And this is not a mystery, as the Catholic Church has yet to fully acknowledge evolutionary theory or even the fact of evolutionary change beyond "microevolution": http://www.catholicbridge.com/catholic/catholic-creationism.php
    This actually ties into the thread - nerves in teeth explained by God's direction and enacted will, or Adam's sin, are much differently explained than those explained within the frame of Darwinian evolutionary theory.
     
  22. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    You are right that the Catholic Church has yet to acknowledge that Man is not descended from a single original couple. But this, wrong though it is, is not creationism.
     
  23. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The teaching is far more compatible with creation than evolution - one original couple, "irreducible complexity", and so forth, are not actually compatible with evolutionary theory or biological fact as currently established within that theory.
    And so we find Catholic creationists in the large majority, just as Protestant and Muslim creationists are, in their respective religions.
     

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