Crazy things famous Christians say

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Magical Realist, May 31, 2014.

  1. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Because sexual orientation does not apply to age, only sex. That is how it is defined in English.
    "if a group can campaign for their sexual rights (LGBT), based on the idea that it is a sexual orientation, then what's to stop pedophile groups campaigning for their sexual rights."
    You are conflating LGBT rights with pedophile rights by suggesting that pedophiles could use the same justification that LGBT groups do.
    And there are a lot of people who think "niggardly" is a racial slur. They can think that all they like. It's not, even if it sounds like one (and even if people want it to be one for political reasons.)
    Why shouldn't pedophiles be able to exercise their Third Amendment rights to sleep with children?
     
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  3. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    billvon,

    I know that's how it's defined. But why is it defined that way.
    The words don't match the definition.

    Isn't that what is happening? Did you not read the link I sent you.
    I can send you more if you like.
    But how is that the same as equating homosexuality to pedophilia?

    :shrug:

    What does the Third Amendment rights have to do with sexual orientation?

    jan.
     
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  5. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Same reason "superior" means "higher" and not "lower." That's how it's defined. You don't have to like it; you don't even have to use the word if you dislike it. (Heck, you don't even have to use English if you dislike it, or feel that it's wrong.)
    It is not. It is CONFLATING it. Conflating does not mean equating.
    It seems that whenever you are losing an argument you try to redefine words so that you can win it.
    Nothing! And what does sexual orientation have to do with pedophilia? Also, nothing. (See how that works?)
     
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  7. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    billvon,

    ''Superior'' means higher period.

    ''Sexual'' means ''relating to the instincts, physiological processes, and activities connected with physical attraction or intimate physical contact between individuals,'' and, ''relating to the two sexes or to gender.''

    Again why only use a secondary definition and completely omit the primary one?

    Of course it's not.

    Are both groups claiming that it their sexual orientation that accounts for their sexual attractions? That they cannot help but be attracted to the type of people they are attracted to?

    Things aren't always what they seem.

    Sorry, but I don't see how that works.

    jan.
     
  8. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    OK. Moving on:
    Correct. And the term "sexual orientation" refers to what sex you are attracted to, period. It is different from the word "sexual" and the word "orientation" - when put together the words have a specific meaning, and no matter how much you wish the term didn't mean what it means, it does in fact mean what it means.
    Apparently not.
     
  9. Balerion Banned Banned

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    Lol! Butthurt troll is butthurt.
     
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    Mod Hat

    Magical Realist - please refrain from responding to intentional baiting and insults - simply report it and move on. It is simply a yellow card warning because you did attempt, for quite some time, to keep the thread on topic despite such posts.

    Balerion has been issued an infraction and, due to have 3 active infraction points (four with the current one) a one month ban, for continued baiting, off topic posts, trolling, and insulting other members
     
  11. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    billvon,

    I would if I was you.

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    Bravo! It is a made up term which means absolutely nothing in the context it is used.
    That is what I thought. Thanks.

    You don't to talk nonsense anymore.

    jan.
     
  12. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    IF you were him, you would do what he does.


    All terms are made up. It certainly does mean something.
     
  13. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Only if 'I' chose to.
    The 'I' is the self, the 'you' is nobody, anybody, somebody, or everybody.

    SEXUAL ORIENTATION. One's sexual orientation is defined by the sex (same or other) of the people to whom one is emotionally and sexually attracted. While the term emphasizes the sexual component of interpersonal relationships, in reality ANY sexual orientation involves a wide range of feelings, behaviors, experiences and commitments....

    ...Finally, sexual orientation, which has largely replaced ''sexual preference'' in psychological literature, is defined by the sex (not then gender) of the people to whom one is erotically and emotionally attracted. In keeping with arguments perhaps most cogently articulated by Money (1987), this usage is intended to convey that LGB identity is not (simply) a preference but is as much a given as is handedness;

    Taken from here

    It means what it means to you because you accept that's what it means. But the reality is, it's a lot broader than what you accept.

    jan.
     
  14. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Obviously, you have no frigging idea what it would mean for you to be him.

    No. It is only you who has a problem accepting what it means.
     
  15. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    StrangerInAStrangeLa,

    http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/if-i-were-you

    It's not a problem. I accept that you accept that's what it means.

    jan.
     
  16. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Bullshit. If I were you means if I were you.
     
  17. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    So you don't even respect the authority of the dictionary?

    jan.
     
  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    From your own post: "SEXUAL ORIENTATION. One's sexual orientation is defined by the sex (same or other) of the people to whom one is emotionally and sexually attracted." Case closed by Jan Ardena.

    You do talk to listen of do some nonsense all the time.
     
  19. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    billvon,

    All I'm saying is that it is broader than you make it out to be.

    Talking you don't know what about you're.

    jan.
     
  20. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    That quote from your own post is accurate - so I am saying that that definition is as accurate as you have said it is.
     
  21. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    SEXUAL ORIENTATION. One's sexual orientation is defined by the sex (same or other) of the people to whom one is emotionally and sexually attracted. While the term emphasizes the sexual component of interpersonal relationships, in reality ANY sexual orientation involves a wide range of feelings, behaviors, experiences and commitments.......Finally, sexual orientation, which has largely replaced ''sexual preference'' in psychological literature, is defined by the sex (not the gender) of the people to whom one is erotically and emotionally attracted. In keeping with arguments perhaps most cogently articulated by Money (1987), this usage is intended to convey that LGB identity is not (simply) a preference but is as much a given as is handedness
    ;*

    At last we agree upon something.

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    jan.
     
  22. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    You don't respect a damn thing. If you cite some source which says "I ate a sandwich" does not mean "I ate a sandwich", it does no damn good. IF you know what the words if, I, were & you mean, you should be able to understand. IF you want to understand.
     
  23. NMSquirrel OCD ADHD THC IMO UR12 Valued Senior Member

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    you may have to rephrase that, its a little ambiguous,
     

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