Cold fusion device in production

Discussion in 'Physics & Math' started by quantum_wave, Apr 26, 2011.

  1. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    This will all come down to whether he able to successfully acquire patents. Apparently some of his patent applications have already run into trouble with being way to vague and non-specific. It's understandable that he wants to avoid disclosing as much "secret sauce" as possible, but he is going to have to disclose a detailed enough description to convince specialists that they could repeat his work, if he hopes to get a real patent. Wait and see, I guess, although I'm in the skeptic's camp.
     
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  3. CptBork Robbing the Shalebridge Cradle Valued Senior Member

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    If it was real, Richard Branson would already have a design team working on the logo for his new power company, and it would be guaranteed to eventually turn a profit under all scenarios because it has Richard Branson's name on it.
     
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  5. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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  7. Tach Banned Banned

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    It is not a "quick" update, it is a "quack" update. Why would anybody waste time reading Rossi's self-promotion disguised as a "journal"?
     
  8. paulfr Registered Senior Member

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    Ahhhhhh
    If the energy is coming from the nucleus, then there has to be
    reaction products. Have they set up detectors to verify they are there
    and which particles from the Standard Model they are ??
    I don't think so.
    This is why no reputable nuclear physicists are on board with support.

    I worked in nuclear physics for 12 years at particle beam accelerators and
    you do not verify anything with average, macroscopic measurements.
    You detect the reaction products to begin to understand what is happening.
     
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  10. CptBork Robbing the Shalebridge Cradle Valued Senior Member

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    Anyone who actually buys into this claim should donate whatever money they can to Rossi, even if they have to mortgage their own homes and sell their cars- either you help with the revolution in cheap cold fusion, or at minimum you at least learn a valuable lesson about not being so damn gullible.
     
  11. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Cold fusion here soon.
    Unlimited power for pennies.
    Coming soon. End of October.
    Guaranteed. No more delays.
    Get ready to eat dirt, mockers!

    Rossi now indicates that he has terminated his relationship with Defkalion, and that he is working with an undisclosed US firm that has apparently stepped into the shoes of Defkalion. Rossi insists that his 1MW facility is on track and will be unveiled at the end of October somewhere in the US. To complicate matters, Dafkalion has vowed to ccontinue work on its catalyzer product line, called Hyperion, with or without Rossi.

    http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/20110817/breed-energy-catalyzers-ready-commercialization.htm
     
  12. Pete It's not rocket surgery Moderator

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    I'd happily eat dirt if it meant unlimited power for pennies.

    But I'm afraid that's not going to happen, Captain. Prepare to be disappointed yet again.
     
  13. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Yep, I'll sure second THAT, Pete!
     
  14. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    His name didn't do much good for the solar power firm in which he invested £150 million . Solyndra.
    http://oilprice.com/Alternative-Ene...ue-to-Support-Clean-Energy-Entrepreneurs.html
     
  15. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    And now, a picture of the 1MW device, which looks like a shipping container stacked with suitcases.

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    From http://pesn.com/2011/09/14/9501913_Rossis_One_Megawatt_Reactor_Gets_A_New_E-Cat_Model/

    Surely this damn thing isn't going to work, is it?


    Here's a description, from the same site:


    Inside of the one megawatt system, there are 52 modules (instead of 300 smaller modules) that work together to produce one megawatt of output. Assembled in Bologna from parts made in Miami, FL, the device assemble in a shipping container is in transit to the United States for the October launch.

    The units are assembled in four rows along the two longer walls of the approximate 7 meter shipping container. Each unit has a valve for loading hydrogen as well as an electrical resistance device to 'prime' the reaction with start-up heat.

    The output from the pipes from each unit are connected to a single tube exiting the back side of the container. Near the front of the unit, on the left side is a pump for inputting the water to be heated.

    During the test of the new module, the system was fed an input of 2.6 kilowatts, and the output was -- at a minimum -- 3.8 kilowatts. In the best case, it was producing up to 7.8 kilowatts of output. Mats Lewan who performed the test admits it was rushed, they were short of time, and they did not have time to prepare well for the test.

    Interestingly, he also witnessed the device operate in self sustain mode -- with only the input needed to power the control electronics -- for 35 minutes. During this time period the temperature inside of the reactor only dropped about ten degrees Celsius from around 130 C. It continually produced steam without any input power.
     
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  16. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    I note that this report was posted before, on the other fusion thread.
    I came upon it separately, and give precedence to the earlier post.
    If you want to comment on this development, you should post on the other thread, rather than discuss the same thing twice.
    Go to:
    http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=109913
     
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  17. Pete It's not rocket surgery Moderator

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    Hooray if it does!:xctd:
    I don't see how he can honestly call it "self sustain mode" while the temperature is dropping.

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  18. kwhilborn Banned Banned

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    For petes question,

    A stand alone e-cat requires an energy input to heat the interior with a coil much like a kettle would until a reaction is produced.

    I had assumed that a self sustaining version would heat steam into electricity and then continue to use its own electricity production to heat the coils, and then disconnect power from the main This was not so.

    They basically just shut off the electricity after the reactions occurred and it was the excess heat generated by the chemical reaction providing all the heat for the next 35 minutes. There was no heating of the electric coil which would still be possible in a self sustaining mode should they decide to heat the insides a bit more with electricity that they produced solely from the e-cats steam output.
     
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