So much has been written over thousands of years about the conundrum invoked when considering a deterministic universe and how Humans can demonstrate decisions and choice making that appears to be in-determined by that deterministic universe, that they have freedom to choose when simple logic will strongly suggest that any choice taken will in fact be predetermined and that any alternative choices are in fact an illusion, a deception that affords us the luxury of believing in our individual autonomy. That we as are deluded and that determinists theory is rock solid case and effect logic. I actually do not dispute the basic premise of cause and effect but would like to suggest that to resolve the issue of in-determinism that freewill invokes can easily and surprisingly be achieved by understanding that one effect can have many causes and how that relates to the self deterministic nature of the human will. Arguments: Freewill: For freewill to be real the universe must be indeterminate and cause and effect is not real. We know that the universe is indeed deterministic, that things happen due to cause and effect and in absolute terms this leads logically to all events being predetermined. Cause and Effect: For cause and effect to be real, freewill must be an illusion. This is because the Determinist will sate that if everything is predetermined then any choice we think we have is an illusion and that all choices are predetermined. Obviously argument 1 is invalid simply because the logic of cause and effect and observed evidence is overwhelmingly strong. If argument 1 is invalid then argument 2 must be valid. However this leaves us with the very unpalatable outcome that states that freedom of thought, the persona and the responsibility that goes with it is an illusion. The "I" think therefore I am", Ergo sum is a fraud, because the "I" is just as much an illusion as any actions the "I" might take.. So this apparent impasse has been the prevailing issue for perhaps thousands of years. A seemingly irreconcilable conundrum, as self determination with it's attached responsibility ( culpability ) is evident in all human activity, except those who believe in predetermination leading to all sorts of problems. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Self determination is evident in all human activity Co-determinism. For the sake of brevity let us assume for the moment that the Human being is self deterministic. And that he has genuine freewill. A commonly held proposition by most humans. How do we deal with the issue of in-determinism in a deterministic universe? By understanding that the relationship that humans have with the universe surrounding him is co-deterministic, a partnership of causation with said universe to generate a single event you can understand that the universe's determinism in conjunction with a free-willed self determining Human, does indeed create events that are fully determined by both Human and universe together simultaneously. So on that basis free will does not violate the determinism of cause and effect as it is an active part of it. Care to discuss?