Climate change Sea Ice Melt Glacia melt the developing science

climate change weather bombs ....
looks like japan is experiencing one currently

it will be interesting to see how these effect north America with the shifting of the polar vortex.
 
Latest news massive ice shelf breaks up and floats out to sea
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-53737138
The Planet Earth-observation company has just released new imagery of the broken Milne Ice Shelf in the Arctic.

Located on the northern margin of Canada's Ellesmere Island, the ice platform split on 30/31 July to form a free-floating bloc some 80 sq km (30 sq miles) in area.

By 3 August, this berg, or "ice island", had itself ruptured in two, with both segments then seen to drift out into the Arctic Ocean.

Ice shelves are the floating fronts of glaciers that have flowed off the land into the sea.

Ellesmere Island was once bounded by extensive shelves that had melded into a single structure.
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iceaura said:
Then it would be a fine example of global warming.
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sea temp including sea acidity increase seems to be compounding to exponentially increase melt rates faster than the main stream of conservative scientific guesses

keeping in mind most of the scientists didn't want to be the ones screaming fire in a crowded cinema even if it was on fire
understandable considering the sustained hideous attack they have been under from governments and political organizations and big corporates with bottomless money pockets
all targeting the little guy scientist
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-56424338

Antarctic seafloor exposed after 50 years of ice cover

German scientists have inspected an area of seafloor newly exposed by the calving of mega-iceberg A74 and found it to be teeming with animals.

Video cameras tracked abundant filter feeders thriving among the soft muds.

It was a remarkable opportunity for the team as their ship, RV Polarstern, threaded the still narrow gap that exists between A74 and the Brunt Ice Shelf, which produced the giant berg.
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The day the climate never changes, no ice is melted in the poles, the environment is stable without catastrophes, in that day I will scare a lot about what will be next because such is ABNORMAL.

I think best is to build new cities away from the shore if the oceans will rise their level several feet up, and get used to hot weather if the sun's rays will make you crazy on summer time. Using electric cars won't reverse the hotter cycle and you are dreaming the tendency will be over soon because you recycle plastic and go to work in your bike instead of the car.

Too late.

Just adapt to the new era, and be happy with.

I remember in the 70's a group of guys were a;ways claiming for year 2000 the sky will be dark green and no scattered clouds will be seen but a whole cloudy covering impeding the sun light to pass thru. I never paid attention to them and continued driving my old oil burning car while they were always afraid of the future.

Year 2000 came and the ski was still showing scattered clouds and it had the same blue tone as always. I was so pleased with myself I never paid attention to those alarmists and I enjoyed life.

In the 90's, some days of January were warm over 75 degrees, I didn't mind at all and went to work wearing a T shirt. Simple as that. 10 years before I was to remove three feet of snow in front of my house. And if for next years snow is 10 feet high or none at all, I will just enjoy winter the way it comes.

We don't control the weather, and this is a fact, so, why to worry about something we can't control? Best is to adapt.
 
Luchito said:
Using electric cars won't reverse the hotter cycle
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Reducing our emission of carbon will absolutely make the climate warm less for our grandchildren.
I remember in the 70's a group of guys were a;ways claiming for year 2000 the sky will be dark green
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I'd recommend heeding scientists and not a random "group of guys."
We don't control the weather, and this is a fact, so, why to worry about something we can't control? Best is to adapt.
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We do control the amount of warming we create.
 
billvon said:
Reducing our emission of carbon will absolutely make the climate warm less for our grandchildren.

I'd recommend heeding scientists and not a random "group of guys."

We do control the amount of warming we create.
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Poles in planet Mars are also diminishing in size, who is to blame for that, martians driving UFO's?
 
Luchito said:
The day the climate never changes, no ice is melted in the poles, the environment is stable without catastrophes, in that day I will scare a lot about what will be next because such is ABNORMAL.
I think best is to build new cities away from the shore if the oceans will rise their level several feet up, and get used to hot weather if the sun's rays will make you crazy on summer time. Using electric cars won't reverse the hotter cycle and you are dreaming the tendency will be over soon because you recycle plastic and go to work in your bike instead of the car.
Too late.
Just adapt to the new era, and be happy with.
I remember in the 70's a group of guys were a;ways claiming for year 2000 the sky will be dark green and no scattered clouds will be seen but a whole cloudy covering impeding the sun light to pass thru. I never paid attention to them and continued driving my old oil burning car while they were always afraid of the future.
Year 2000 came and the ski was still showing scattered clouds and it had the same blue tone as always. I was so pleased with myself I never paid attention to those alarmists and I enjoyed life.
In the 90's, some days of January were warm over 75 degrees, I didn't mind at all and went to work wearing a T shirt. Simple as that. 10 years before I was to remove three feet of snow in front of my house. And if for next years snow is 10 feet high or none at all, I will just enjoy winter the way it comes.
We don't control the weather, and this is a fact, so, why to worry about something we can't control? Best is to adapt.
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i like your writing. it is very good(feels like morphine)
is it your words ?
or
have you read someone else's words and agreed with them and then posted them as your opinion ?
i understand you are using a translation process also, which makes things difficult.

if no one worries about where the next meal is coming from what will people eat (?) each other ?
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addendum sub-narrative discourse (the conversation beside the conversation also in-between the lines of the conversation)
: culture
culture formats of psychological ideological construction
certain types of social control systems define types of alternate thinking.
this creates conspiracy culture dynamics inside cultural conceptualizations.
in turn this eventuates as a cultural conspiracy ideological reality.
"deniers" denying what ? religion ? god ? science ? humans ability to effect change ?
things that are bigger than their comprehension ?
things that they feel are outside their ability to control & in turn control others ?
how many people does it take to start a global nuclear war ?
will that be climate change ?
is that human create capable of changing the earths climate ?
patriarchal sexual addictive psyche construction
indoctrinated thinking models of forced culture into childrens minds
go big or go home
a big ending is better
large explosive functional equations as process compliant thought form.
the nature of self
im so small i cant change what i want so nothing can be changed by others.
if i cant change it, no one can
...
this is science
human science
human science of the mind

patriarchal dogmas stuck in a poor state f sexual development seeking no change and no ability of others to have the power that they do not
to maintain their hold on power
this is the nature of tribalised thinking & conformist psychological control as an anti science position.

hacked
 
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Luchito said:
blame
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blame versus science ...
the game of cultural control & repression of people

Luchito said:
Poles in planet Mars are also diminishing in size, who is to blame for that, martians driving UFO's?
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rolling out the martian UFO trope is a bit of a white flag of defeat you have lost & cant think of anything else.

tropes of defeat
he laid himself on the tropes of his own defeat
as he played his last worst act to the audience, as light & attention faded.


that's not very creative

if you cant eloquently discus the metaphors inside paradigms as you started out then making false claims and tin foil hat dog whistle comments is not going to be interesting to me.
unless you can show some intellectual power in a creative response to this i shall ignore your posts from now on.

i shall steer the thread back to the subject shortly.
 
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take the long view:
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2.5 million years of climate deterioration with super cold mis 16 and mis 12
and then @400,000 years ago- mis 11 a reprieve and some warmth
yippee
If we are in a repeat of mis 11
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400kyr cycle
expect
a forested arctic ocean shore
an ice free southern Greenland
and average sea level to increase by 6-13m
 
https://www.antarctica.gov.au/about...climate-change/ice-sheets-and-sea-level-rise/

The IPCC AR5 concluded that the average rate of ice loss from the Antarctic Ice Sheet has likely increased from about 30 Gt (gigatonnes; 1 Gt = 1 billion tonnes) per year between 1992 and 2001 to about 147 Gt/yr between 2002 and 2011. (100 Gt/yr of ice is equivalent to approximately 0.28 mm/yr of global sea level rise). While the range of estimates from the different studies is large, they all suggest a current net loss.
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50% increase of melt rate over 10 years


For a few days in July 2012 there was an extreme surface melt event covering more than 90% of the Greenland Ice Sheet.
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Why is Antarctic ice loss occurring faster over the Peninsula and in West Antarctica than in East Antarctica?

The Antarctic Ice Sheet is connected to global climate through the atmosphere and ocean in complex ways, and different regions respond differently.

Ice loss along the Antarctic Peninsula is a direct result of increased ocean and air temperatures. The rate of air temperature rise in this region (2.5°C over the last 50 years) is one of the highest on our planet.
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what is the melt rate now between 2011 & 2021 ?
 
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https://www.antarctica.gov.au/about...climate-change/ice-sheets-and-sea-level-rise/

Could the West Antarctic Ice Sheet continue to add to sea level rise?

Yes. The West Antarctic Ice Sheet forms what is called a marine ice sheet — the ice is resting on bedrock, but that bedrock is below sea level. (Parts of the East Antarctic Ice Sheet are also below sea level).

Where the bedrock under a marine ice sheet slopes down towards the interior of the continent, such as under parts of West Antarctica, the ice sheet may be unstable. If the coastal part of the ice sheet flows more rapidly and thins (e.g. in response to ice shelf changes), it will start to float. This reduces the forces restraining the ice sheet, which is then able to flow even more rapidly. This will drain more ice from further inland, thinning the ice sheet upstream, which may also start to float. With bedrock that slopes backwards, becoming deeper towards the interior, continued retreat of the boundary of the grounded ice sheet may proceed very rapidly. In this way, a small initial retreat could in theory destabilize large sections of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, leading to rapid ice loss. However, uncertainty remains around how likely this process is and how much it might affect sea level rise by 2100.
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so it is obvious
there is no mystery involved
it appears once melt gets past a certain point it will crate a sudden fast melt as it floats the entire ice sheet which makes it thaw dramatically faster because it is melted by the warm sea

the sea bed of the ice sheet seats against a hollowed out rock base that is below sea level
so as the edges melt it will suddenly let the ocean in under it
once this happens things will change quickly

i am guessing a sudden quick sea level rise (possibly only a few center-meters maybe) followed by exponential faster sea level rise as it melts

huge big scary monster is
where is that tipping point ?
and
how far away are we from it ?
 
Iceland melting glaciers
pictures show around 50% melt in 10 years of the glacier front seaward edge
note the pictures
see where the glacier reaches on the far side mountain, then see where it is at now
roughly 50% has melted


https://news.sky.com/story/desperat...e-world-and-theyre-just-disappearing-12067610

"It is basic physics," says Snaevarr. "Go and buy an ice cream and see what happens when you take it into the heat. It melts."

I ask him how he feels to come back and to see the glacier getting slightly smaller with every visit.

"It's devastating actually. It's surprising to see how fast this happens. You cannot believe how thick the ice must have been 100 or 130 years ago. It's so hard to believe that, just where we are standing, the ice surface was about 250 metres higher than it is now. It is so strange to think about. You never get used to it."
That's 9,000,000 litres of ice being turned into water, every minute. Beyond us is a vast lagoon, hundreds of metres deep, that is filled by some of this meltwater - Jokulsarlon. Less than a hundred years ago, this lake didn't exist - the whole area was covered by the glacier.
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as more land is exposed it increases the melt speed as it attracts more heat from the sun
a lot of the protection from warming is the reflective quality of the white ice & snow
as that melts its likely causing exponential melt speed
combined with ocean warming melting even faster from underneath on the sheets
 
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