He's just making a comparison. Cut away something to prevent contracting a disease further down the road.
Vaccines leave no scars, pretty much. Circumcision apologists often attempt to excuse the practice that way: compare circumcision to normal medical procedures that have no lasting effects on your body image or sexual functionality, in order to mask the difference.
All you have ever had is a scarred penis, so you've never known anything better, string. Of course you will say it's good, because you couldn't stand thinking about yourself in terms of being damaged goods.
The only real way it is comparable is because it is in the same area. It doesnt get infected or cause infections either.
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Which means very little. A lot of cut humans will also declare that circumcision reduces your chance of contracting HIV. Yah... and guess what else? So does not having sex with people who have AIDS. Try it some time. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! The reason that no health organizations recommend circumcision is that the procedure itself also has risks, and those risks outweigh all of these remote benefits that are presented. Even if you accept that 1000 circumcisions will prevent one case of UTI in the first year of life, the complication rate from circumcisions is between 2 and 5%. UTI is not serious and treatable with antiobiotics, a very benign illness. Meanwhile, circumcision botch-ups and its resultant scars are permanent. That's what happened to David Reimer, who had his gender reassigned by his parents after a circumcision destroyed his penis. He later committed suicide.
WHO and UNAIDS announce recommendations from expert consultation on male circumcision for HIV prevention
That isn't an American organization, ben, and it recommends it only for countries with high rates of HIV prevalence. No dice. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
How can that mean very little? At the same time you are telling us about one case where it was a 'botch-up'. One out of a thousand people is a high number so far the consensus seems to be it is better, and aethetically enhancing.
From wikiPedia The studies are linked here, for your convenience: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19955598 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18761593
I'm afraid that isn't true, ben. If you read the WHO article, it states that its effects were measured only in the countries of Kenya, Uganda, and South Africa. It has no information pertaining to how everyday citizens in developed countries benefit (they don't).
Different in that we are not afflicted by an AIDS epidemic, yes. Odd that you would make insulting accusations of racism on the drop of a dime like that, however. Are you getting steamed up or something? That wiki article states that the improvement was due to men having body image issues to begin with and pain due to penal illness. Do try to aim for some consistency.
I think that is a bit different. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! So are you saying that a circumcised man doesn't enjoy sex? :bugeye: Again from my own experience I have only ever had sex with circumcised men, and they seemed to enjoy themselves quite a bit.
It is not very different, nor is it a matter of severity -- it is a matter of both practices being genital mutilation. Both procedures are carried out upon unsuspecting and defenseless children. Both procedures are barbaric and cruel. Both procedures arose from insane superstitions. Both procedures are 100% unnecessary. Both procedures scar the victim for life.
Well I live with 3 males, Nietzsche and my 2 boys. The only one having problems with his penis is my youngest who hasn't been circumcised. My Dr. says that many men who aren't circumcised have these kind of problems, so IMO for medical reasons it is better to be circumcised. I am not saying that all uncircumcised men have problems but there are quite a few who do. Listen I know, I went through the screaming of my first son. I felt so horrible and heart wrenched, that is why I couldn't deal with it the second time around. But as I said before, I think I should have. If he has to have this problem fixed later on in life. I think it will be more traumatic to have it fixed then, then performed on him when he was a baby.
