Church will burn Quran

Discussion in 'World Events' started by baftan, Aug 1, 2010.

1. nirakar( i ^ i )Registered Senior Member

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Wrong.

The age of Zoroastrianism keeps getting pushed back further in time by modern scholars while the age of Judaism keeps getting younger.

While you did not make up the sun worshiping bit it is incorrect to say that Zorastrians worshiped the sun.

The many minor offshoots from Zorastrianism may have done who knows what.

First Judaism like everything else probably borrowed from the beginning all over.
God creating the Earth in six days was probably something Judaism borrowed from some other group that borrowed it from Zoroastrianism's six periods of creation.

But the major borrowing of Judaism from Zoroastrianism is thought to have happened after the Babylonian captivity.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=147&letter=Z

Many scholars say Judaism did not fully abandon polytheism until after Babylonian captivity when they were directly influenced by Zoroastrianism's monotheism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_Unearthed
http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/mine/jud_zor.htm

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Monotheistic
But I asked for dates. You don't know the dates?

3. Billy TUse Sugar Cane Alcohol car FuelValued Senior Member

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Thanks for the link. I knew little of Zorastrianism, but did know they were much older than Judaism.
IamJoseph's glaringly false statement of the reverse bring into question all his "facts."

I found them more advanced in the thinking and respect for the enviroment than most modern religions in this:

"... In disposing of the dead, it is unlawful to burn or bury the body or to throw it into water, as any of these modes of disposal would defile one of the sacred elements; the dead must therefore be exposed in high places to be devoured by birds and dogs, a custom which is still observed by the Parsees and Gabars in their "Towers of Silence." ..." *

Once when swimming in the ocean my body was suddenly being hit many times each second by small fish in a school passing by me. I immediately became fearful that they were perhaps being chased by one or more sharks. After a few more seconds I realized there was nothing I could do and thought that would not be a bad way to die.** In fact soon thought that would be a useful way to die - I had eaten a lot of ocean fish - perhaps now it was their turn.

* This will never catch on / be accepted in the capitalistic world: – There is no profit for the crematorium owner, the Indian sellers of fire wood, the chemical companies making embalming fluid to pollute the ground water, casket makers, Churches etc. holding memorial services.

I believe the ancient Greeks and several other cultures did this with badly deformed babies also. I am too much a product of my culture to not be shocked, but when rationally considered, that does seem best compared to messing up the lives of brothers and sisters (parents too) for decades.

** It would certainly be over quick. Also I have noticed that when a pride of lioness brings down a herd animal it struggles at most a few seconds then falls over and is calm. I strongly suspect that intense pain make you lose consciousness or "black out."

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5. nirakar( i ^ i )Registered Senior Member

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IamJoseph is wrong most of the time and often makes up incorrect "facts" himself rather than just repeating from bad sources but being wrong about the age of Zoroastrianism is a smaller mistake than usual because half of the internet has the age of Zoroastrianism wrong. He says Judaism is older than Zoroastrianism. If Judaism began in 1800 BCE and Zoroastrianism began at 575 BCE then he would be right this time. In the statement that Judaism is older than Zoroastrianism IamJoseph is not on an rotten intellectual limb of his own creation by himself, he has plenty of company and he did not create that belief.

Based on others scholarship I guess pre-Judaism started about 900 BC and believe Moses and Abraham are fictitious people. I believe that in the time of King Josiah 630ish BCE Judaism resembling modern Judaism but that it came to be much more like modern Judaism around 340 AD when the new Jewish nation dominated by Jews who returned from Babylon influenced by Zoroastrianism was firmly established. The next step forward being 140–37 BC when the Jewish Hasmonean Kingdom finally ruled over areas that King David only ruled in fiction. IamJoseph and any fundamentalist Jews, Christians and Muslims will prefer the traditional more glorious version of Jewish history that says Judaism began with Abraham at about 1800 BCE.

Many Western Web Sites claim that that Modern Parsi tradition places Zoroaster's birth at around or before 600 BCE but the few actual Parsi websites I came across say that their tradition places Zoroaster's birth at before 6,000 BCE.

An actual Parsi website http://tenets.parsizoroastrianism.com/ and http://tenets.parsizoroastrianism.com/zor33.html Says

The 1800 BC to 100 BC is what modern scholars are saying is probabable but they say Zoroaster may have been before that. But this link also made a mistake.

The Parsi claim is that Zoroaster lived before 6,000 BCE not before 600 BCE. The Parsi's claim is probably influenced by trying to be older than Hinduism's claims of oldness.

Clearly a lot of people in the West prior to 1950 were using the "before 600 BCE" date but I don't know what plagerized old historian was the source of this date.

I personally think history prior to 1950 on all topics was very shaky and filled with bad information.

http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/zarathushtra/index.htm

Now where the hell do the above link and the first Jewish Encylopedia link get two different 500 something BCE death dates from? They are wrong but they probably have sources.

This link http://ebionite.org/zoro.htm says "Isaiah 40-48 offers striking parallels with the Gatha 44:3-5, as has been shown by Morton Smith. "

This site http://mb-soft.com/believe/txo/zoroastr.htm says
Ernst Emil Herzfeld (July 23, 1879–January 20, 1948) was a German archaeologist and Iranologist. He is outdated.

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7. PsychoTropicPuppyBittersweet life?Valued Senior Member

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So is it cancelled or what now? Sorry haven't kept up with this topic.
I hear some Afghanis went on a murderous tour when they heard about the quran burning manifest? Looks like the mere suggestion of burning a simple book can really kill people

8. GeoffPCaput gerat lupinumValued Senior Member

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Heard some story about Iran buring Bibles in response. Possible but could be propaganda as easily. Some guy in Illinois got arrested for burning a Quran though.

9. PsychoTropicPuppyBittersweet life?Valued Senior Member

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Did he get arrested for burning a Quran or for putting fire to something in a location where making fire in the open is prohibited?

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Oh, I agree: it could gave been any ordinance that he was considered to have violated. It's just the $10,000 reward for information leading to his arrest that made me say hmm. They don't usually post that kind of cash for your standard errant camper. 11. PsychoTropicPuppyBittersweet life?Valued Senior Member Messages: 1,538$10,000 for telling on someone who burned/is going to burn a Koran?

Wow...anyone here burned a Koran recently? I want to earn some cash to buy myself some :m:

12. GeoffPCaput gerat lupinumValued Senior Member

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I'd consider burning it myself and calling the cops on me to earn some quick cash: yet, I just contented myself with calling the station and asking them what law I would be breaking and why the reward was so high. They hung up.

13. PsychoTropicPuppyBittersweet life?Valued Senior Member

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Punishment: All the newspapers publishing page long articles about you!

14. GeoffPCaput gerat lupinumValued Senior Member

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All publicity is good publicity.