Christian's beef with Atheists

I don't know man, it seems to be spelled out pretty well that he word of god is "I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man." one of the reasons I could never be a Christian is things like this. if I could take any part of the bible and ignore it, simply because its not socially acceptable, would seriously undermine my faith. I would be plagued with questions of what else could be ignored if the social climate changed.

 

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Well, they're now performing gay weddings. Of course you still get the fundies that don't realise homosexuality is also one of those "it don't matter no more" kind of god rules.

I'm sure redefine91 concurs with that.

Only a matter of time before the religious are bonking children because god doesn't prohibit it.. oh wait... too late.

 

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as far as i can tell any homosexual reference is old testament which is very rule based. the new testament expects more out of christians. it is less rules and a lot more about an attitude and way of life.

 

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And right and wrong?

 

hindus and jews arent as concerned with fixing their neighbors so much as fixing themselves first.

i couldnt say about muslims.

 

Muslims are too busy killing each other to have time for other activities.

 

It also happens to be NOT true.

In several Muslim countries being an atheist is against the law, although being a Christian is still OK....

 

Well I don't think Hindus make up a very large percentage of the people in this forum.

Jews believe they are a chosen people of God. So why should they care if some gentiles think there is no God? Maybe if a person of Jewish decent proposed that The God of Abraham did not exist then you might get a Orthodox Jew responding out of a desire to bring a "lost" brother back to the faith, but why should an Orthodox Jew care if a bunch of gentiles proclaim that God foes not exist? And anyway why would an Orthodox Jew even bother coming into this forum?

Islam has never relied on the Word to propagate their beliefs they have another more effective method called the sword. Of course some muslims might try to counter the blasphemy of atheists by using arguments but they are not as driven as Christians are because TRUE Christians only have the Word at their disposal. Muslims can always reach for the sword and terror when they reach a critical mass in the population.

So Christians respond with words because Christians are restricted to Word.
Christians respond with words because they care about the eternal salvation of the ones they are talking to.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

 

Swedish atheists make up over 80% of the countries population... I don't see much hell being raised over there. It all seems to be coming from the US and the Middle East - the two most crusading regions on the planet.

 

While jesus states that all the old laws must be obeyed - not one dot or stroke is to be removed from them and anyone that goes against them yada yada...

 

It's not that. It's more that athiests don't want for a God to exist, athiests are anti-God, and it's difficult for thiests to accept. Athiests are not agnostic.

 

So where do the swedish get their morality? If we are going to embrace athiests, athiests need to come up with a better religion than satanism, because satanism seems to be one of the main athiest religions out there.

The point is, we need morality, it does not matter if it comes from science, or from religion, but humans as a species cannot exist without rules, laws, and ethics. Athiests might have ways to figure out ethics but they have no language from which to pass their morality from one generation to the next.

 

Satanism comes in both theistic and atheistic flavours.

Explain this.

 

Atheists believe that there are no Gods.

How is it possible to be 'anti-' something that you believe doesn't exist?

 

Weird:

Today about 78% of Swedes belong to the Church of Sweden. Apparently the atheists are infiltrating the church

wikipedia.

 

no, its not that at all. atheists don't believe in god, and don't want to theists imposing their doctrine upon them/us.

morality is a natural trait, early morality would have come from empathy, but societal morality is nearly ubiquitous. you don't need a god to be moral. most people can figure out what is moral and what is not. in addition to that, there are time-tested ways to be moral, such as the classical virtues, social contract ethics, utilitarianism, ect. it is a myth that ethics come from religion, how else do you explain that religions have changed and adapted their moral codes?

WTF? are you drunk? I don't even know where to start pointing out flaws in that statement.

if you mean that atheists have no major brain-washing institutions, you would be correct. if you mean that atheists can't teach morality, then you are sadly mistaken.

 

"Originally posted by cato"
it seems to be spelled out pretty well that he word of god is "I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man." one of the reasons I could never be a Christian is things like this

Kendall-Where did you get that from?

I have no beef with atheists, but I do find that people(christians or atheists) who say there is no such thing as God, or look down at people who are religious or believe in god are not people who I would trust, I find it is usually related to them wanting to believe something that they know is not the truth. It is the love of the truth or denial of that shows what a person is.

 

Am not certain but Sweden may have a system like they do here in Norway. you are automatically a member of the state church unless you actively get yourself removed from the membership list. My wife and I have never belonged to the church here. she and her father both opted out (so she wasn't a first generation non-believer) Nevertheless during a routine check through some papers we discovered that someone had taken the liberty of having my youngest listed as a member of the church

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I cited it in my previous post. (timothy 2:11, TNIV)

what? the way you worded that makes it very confusing. how is a person a Christian if they say there is no god? so you are saying that you think that atheists really know there is a god but they say there isn't? if that is what you are saying, I think you are mistaken. I genuinely do not believe in a god.