Chosen People = Racist Supremacist Ideology

No you havent , you have shown a link which gives Christianity , Islam and Hinduism as examples saying their religion according to their scriptures is the true faith , but in no way does these faiths say that their practitioners are the chosen ones of God . And again in your link Nazism and Zionism were the only ideologies which called their followers the Chosen .

Actually Balcks could not be Mormons , and up until 1976 this was enforced , the only black in heaven was the slave of Joseph Smith the founder of Mormonism , that is no bullshit .And there are extreme groups within that sect which have set about murdering others an example to set pure Mormonism such as polygamy , the was a case in the 80's .

Look I know you have very progressive Jewish groups which are liberal and you have very fundamentalist groups . All sects of Judaism be they liberal , conservative or fanatic still hold to that concept that they are a chosen people and God divenely gifted them land .

But on this thread we are discussing Judaism not other religions , you are really trying to spread the blame out and say "well they do it so why cant we". Just address it do you think that the term chosen people is racist and offensive in our modern world ?

I take that as an admission that you cant provide any tracts from any other reliogion which compares with Judaism's exclusiveness . Judaism is a very unique religion in that they believe they are Gods chosen people , the Christian and Islamic texts clearly reinforce that concept of Jews as well , as those 2 religions grew from that tree .

What do you mean ethnic cleansing those Jews left in an orderly fashion , such as Iraqi Jews as they had airlifts , and besides not all Jews left these arab countries Iraq and Iran still have sizeable Jewish communities . There was plenty of American Jewish pressure on those nations to get them to send their Jewish populations to Israel . Same as after WW2 those European Jews who survived werent allowed to immigrate to the New World most were put on boats to Palestine . In effect Israel was artificially created .

You havent shown anything and most people on this thread are of a extremely pro-Israel bias and as you well know an equally bigoted towards Islam .

And again no religion other than Judaism holds that their practitioners are in fact the chosen people . 5 million Palestinians were displaced into refugee camps and today suffer unimaginable oppression because a group of people see themselves as Gods Chosen People and seeing their God gave his people a nation they dispossesed an entire people of the lives .

There you go again , making himself the victim , clearly you asked , or better yet , dared me to do this thraed and here you are attempting to make out I have deliberately and volutarily constructed an anti-Semitic tract . Thats why this thraed hasnt been locked up because the mods are aware of why this thraed has been constructed . Stop playing the victim and start answering the questions .

Once again no religion be it Christianity , Islam , Hinduism , Bhuddism etc claim they are a chosen people . Now I laid out several quotes which 3 of them ie: the Chosen People , Gods gift of Israel and the persecution of Gentiles is justified in those verses and currently Israel is prosecuting those policies because of Biblical writ . Can you explain the Jewish scriptual justification of these policies towards non-Jews .

 

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Good you must of seen where on this thread where the concept of "The Chosen People " was tackled head on , because I for the life of me cant find it , could you show me where I cant seem to find it ? Or better yet why dont you address it , put your mouth on the line .

 

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for being done talking about this, you sure wont shut up, foley.

please ban brian foley for extreme anti-semitism.

 

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He should be banned on the grounds of stupidity, not anti-semitism.

Man, does this factory worker guy ever shut up about the evil Jews?

 

And the difference between "chosen people" and "those that will inherit the kingdom of God etc etc" is....?

LOL - of course not! But you say any use of "chosen people" terminology is exclusionary (and I can't believe I have to give Foley his proper terminology, but it's better than letting him stagger around in the dark), then wouldn't you consider Diamond's commentaries exclusionary also? She's talked at least once about muslims being allah's "chosen". BTW, you said "racist" again - and here you keep telling me you think Jewish people aren't a race!

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Sort out that Khazar thing yet? LOL

Then you're wrong yet again. Why does anyone have to provide you with quotes of the perception of moral superiority? They are certainly evident in islam and Christianity. Should we then ban all religion?

What are you on about here? Come on, provide some quotes, if your points are at all meaningful.

Nope - they're all quietly disappearing. Strange, that, eh?

Can you first prove that there are any such policies and that they are being applied by religion, and not political basis?

Geoff

 

Here's a sweeping indictment of all those out-of-context quotes: they were spoken by God, not orders from a Prophet. There's no invective to "get out and attack the un-Chosen", as you find in some religions. Well, one anyway. God's just going to give them the land; it doesn't say "take it".

Done and done. You lose.

Geoff

 

indeed, geoff. judaism is one of the only major religions that i can think of whose members dont wander through the streets, knocking on doors prosetelyzing. (<---did i spell that right?

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its cuz we want to remove others of differing religions from the planet....oh wait, thats islam...ok let me try again....we tell everyone about how our godly savior was murdered by a bunch of italians?....nope, got it wrong again. nope, we mind our own business, and let the world turn as it should.

just because a few assholes show up at a rave and start blowing away candykids, doesnt mean all ravers are bad.

get it through your head, brian fooley.

 

oh, i almost forgot....

please ban brian foley.

 

Listen carefullly, 'cause I'm only doing this once. These quotes are from the articles I linked to.

"Supersessionism is the belief of some Christians that Christians have replaced Israel as God's Chosen people"

"Muslims who believe Islam is in an adversarial relationship with Christianity and Judaism, cite other verses such as:

O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

"Reconstructionist Judaism rejects the concept of chosenness."

Depends on how it's used. If extremists use it to justify racism, it's racist; if it's used to encourage people to make the world a better place, obviously it isn't.

"Typically, this emigration followed documentable discrimination, harassment, persecution, and financial confiscation on the part of the majority population and / or government agencies."


There, that wasn't so hard, was it? Now next time, can you read for yourself?

 

Zephyr:

Nice.

Geoff

 

'Zactly.

Geoff

 

please ban brian foley.

 

Oh great you are finally going to address these Quotes ?

Yes it does .

Yes God did tell the chosen ones to take it and murder the inhabitants .

Your not a very bright person are you .

They are not a race , however this thread was done on request by another poster who is Jewish , and seeing supporters here such as yourself see Jews as a race then so I shall construct a post pertaining to that . As you yourself have rtecently said twice that they are a race even on your genetic thread .

And here is the other more clear and concise where you actually say the Jews are a race .

Of course now for the convenience of this debate you have contradicted yourself and climbed down .

 

“Supersessionism” nice word however no scriptual quote to say Christians are a “chosen people” , and the Koran quote , how does that stack up as a “chosen people” concept ? Show me quotes from either the New Testament or the Koran which endorse your claim that these faiths also claim “chosen people” status , remember you are making the claim so back it up .

Fuck the word “choseness “ do reconstructionist Jews reject that Jews are a “chosen people” ? Answer me that ! They don’t do they these reconstructionist Jews still hold that Jews are a chosen people and Israel is their God given land , thye just have modified the interpretation .

I provided ample Biblical quotes that clearly point to it as a supremacist tract , that is relation to seizing lands and taking peoples lives . Just read the thread , how is it making the world a better place ? So far since 1948 this Zionist Biblical dream has cost the US taxpayer $1 trillion in aid 5 million Palestinians their livelihoods , and started several wars and is the catalyst for an impending Atomic arms race . All because some people believe they are a chosen people who have a divine right to some real estate and its ok to murder Gentiles because they have divine exemption cards .

Yeah . yeah Im sure , so why are there still Jewish minorities in Iraq and Iran .

How about next time instead of comparison games with other religions we just stick to what Jews are doing in the name of God . You display no problem in highlighting excesses of Moslems on other threads , so if you set the standard I expect you set the example on this thread . I would like you to read my thread and answer each quote and tell me why it is not racist supremacism .

 

I just did.

Again, that's a GOD talking, not some guy telling you to go do it. Exodus 32:27 refers to a specific event. It is not a general order for all time. Talk about not bright...

Then why, O benighted numbskull, is the title of the thread "Chosen People = Racist Supremacist Ideology"? If they aren't a race, then why do you feel you can call Judaism "racist", since the contrast is obviously with non-Jews?

As for myself, I've already explained to you as clearly as humanly possible that the jury is still out on whether they could be called a "race", but that they exhibit genetic similarity with Palestinians and with each other. Whether you cal. The comments you refer to, much like your thinking, is old. But it does at least signal you've given up on the Khazar hypothesis.

I accept your surrender.

Geoff

 

Obtuse. It's the only conclusion I can draw about you, Foley. Obtuse.

 

Jews are totally "racist" in that they exclude other races and cultures.

That's just smart thinking.

Zionism is Jewish National Socialism, and it should be supported.

 

zionism should NOT be supported, android.
it is zionists that give the rest of us a bad name.


please ban brian foley.

 

Hey you have a quote of me saying something anti-Jewish?

I never have said anything anti-Jewish.

I'm anti-Zionist and thus anti-Israeli, but I respect Jewish religion and Jewish ethnicity.

Zionism is a political movement, it has nothing to do with religion, infact its anti-religion.

Peace.

 

No you haven’t and seeing you are deliberately avoiding them I will repost it the entire thread .

Now please go through each one and explain why it is not racist supremacism .

What the Fuck has that to do with it ? Whether its God or Moses it still written down as scripture .

OK one more time boxhead , this was my reason for posting this thread .

Meaning that seeing posters such as yourself see Jews as a race ( a claim you are now distancing yourself from ) then those tracts must be racist .

Got It !!!! Seeing you and others claim they are a race , then accordingly these verses must be racist supremacism .

Before I forget I did ask you earlier , and you didn’t reply , could you answer this .

Is that you stance now Boxhead ?

Fuck what planet did this Arsehole drop from ? Seriously do you morris dance as a hobby ?
Better yet as poster earlier by another poster on this thread he summed it up best .

Mind you its pointless asking you for any explanation .

Fuck this from a clown who was clobbered on his own thread about gentics , oh yeah , which I was promised starling updates that would turn my head , ROFL , oh yeah , and the sound and embarassin thrashing mountainhare handed you over the Khazarist thread . Obtuse , Dense is an apt word for you .

Fuck mate , what you lack in intelligence you sure as hell make up in stupidity .You first claimed Jews were a race and here you contradict yourself and sayi you have changed your mind , you are a liar , you change your argument when it suits you .