Child Sex Dolls for Pedophiles?

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Struggling to reconcile his attraction to children with a conviction that they should be protected, Takagi founded Trottla, a company that produces life-like child sex dolls. For more than a decade, Trottla has shipped anatomically-correct imitations of girls as young as five to clients around the world.

“We should accept that there is no way to change someone’s fetishes,” Takagi insisted. “I am helping people express their desires, legally and ethically. It’s not worth living if you have to live with repressed desire.”
Several treatments for pedophilia exist, including cognitive-behavioral therapy and chemical castration, and other interventions intended to suppress urges. A meta-analysis conducted by the Mayo Clinic recently concluded that the treatments “do not change the pedophile’s basic sexual orientation toward children.”
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http://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...-dolls-keep-pedophiles-from-offending/423324/

Definitely a disturbing idea but it might make sense.

As for the bolded text [my doing] I can attest to that. Trying to live in a sexless marriage drove me to within moments of suicide. It was only after rebooting my life that I realized this had been the problem all along. I finally ended the marriage, went out and got laid, and just like magic, I didn't want to die any more. I knew I wanted sex but had no idea it is so intimately involved with the will to live.

For some of us at least, the sex drive may be stronger than the will to live. In the case of pedophiles, if this is like a normal sex drive [desire adults] in the rest of us, you certainly aren't going to fix that with therapy.
 
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Pedophilia is being defined here as a ''fetish''? No, it's a crime, actually.
 
wegs said:
Pedophilia is being defined here as a ''fetish''? No, it's a crime, actually.
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Those are not mutually exclusive. It can be a fetish but still be a crime. One thing has nothing to do with the other. I had never thought of it as a fetish. But after what I've learned about fetishes, it wouldn't surprise me at all. It may just be another natural variant on human sexuality. Not say it's okay or should be legal, but psychologically I can see where it is hard to draw the line. There are some really strange fetishes and we all have one or two [whether we know and admit it or not]

Ever see a furry convention? LOL!!!
 
Ivan Seeking said:
Those are not mutually exclusive. It can be a fetish but still be a crime. One thing has nothing to do with the other. I had never thought of it as a fetish. But after what I've learned about fetishes, it wouldn't surprise me at all. It may just be another natural variant on human sexuality. Not say it's okay or should be legal, but psychologically I can see where it is hard to draw the line. There are some really strange fetishes and we all have one or two [whether we know and admit it or not].
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Pedophilia is not a fetish. It's about adults who get off on over powering and dominating children, through non-consenting sex. That's not a fetish.
 
wegs said:
Pedophilia is being defined here as a ''fetish''? No, it's a crime, actually.
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Crime is an external issue of legality and society. Fetishism is an issue of personal psychology. Thet're apples and oranges, in completely diffent crates.

Herion-use is illegal too, but we don't pretend it doesn't exist. We set up clean needle locations.
 
wegs said:
Pedophilia is not a fetish. It's about adults who get off on over powering and dominating children, through non-consenting sex. That's not a fetish.
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A fetish, by definition, is the sexual arousal from something normally non-sexual.
Pretty much nails it.
 
Let's be clear before moving forward. Discussing something matter-of-factly is not the same as condoning it.
In general, it is our responsibility as citizens to discuss problematic societal problems, else we will never find solutions.

Again think of drug-use murder, or any other heinous thing.
 
wegs said:
I'm glad you don't make the laws. :oops:
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I don't. But why?

All I did was provide a definition.

Is it possible that you think fetishism is categorically harmless, so anything labeled with it is, by inference, harmless? That would be wrong.

Decapitation is a crime. So is immolation. That doesn't mean they are as harmless as graffiti or speeding.
 
DaveC426913 said:
I don't. But why?

All I did was provide a definition.

Is it possible that you think fetishism is categorically harmless, so anything labeled with it is, by inference, harmless? That would be wrong.
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I don't want to talk about this, anymore. :( You can believe as you like.
 
wegs said:
I'm glad you don't make the laws. :oops:
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Here is the problem I bet, you believe in good and evil, right? They are evil?
Or, are they sick; have a mental illness?
Or, are they bound to occur in nature due to the laws of large numbers. There is a certain probability that a person is born this way and it will therefore occur from time to time

You are making this a morality issue. And it is! But, what is the real mechanism behind this behavior? And more to the point, would sex dolls reduce attacks on actual children?
 
Ivan Seeking said:
Here is the problem I bet, you believe in good and evil, right? They are evil?
Or, are they sick; have a mental illness?
Or, are they bound to occur in nature due to the laws of large numbers. There is a certain probability that a person is born this way and it will therefore occur from time to time

You are making this a morality issue. And it is! But, what is the real mechanism behind this behavior? And more to the point, would sex dolls reduce attacks on actual children?
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I don't believe in ''evil,'' actually. I believe pedophiles rarely if ever can be cured, just like rapists rarely if ever can be cured. (studies have shown this, actually, it's not just my belief) Their sexual desire is wrapped up in hurting kids through non-consenting sex, it's not based on pure sexual desire to have sex in a healthy, consenting way. That's actually what it is, and changing the definition doesn't help pedophiles. (or anyone) You describing your sexless marriage is worlds away from what a pedophile or a rapist feels for their victims. Not even close.

Hard to say if the dolls will help lessen attacks on children.
 
wegs said:
I don't believe in ''evil,'' actually. I believe pedophiles rarely if ever can be cured, just like rapists rarely if ever can be cured. (studies have shown this, actually, it's not just my belief) Their sexual desire is wrapped up in hurting kids through non-consenting sex, it's not based on pure sexual desire to have sex in a healthy, consenting way. That's actually what it is, and changing the definition doesn't help pedophiles. (or anyone) You describing your sexless marriage is worlds away from what a pedophile or a rapist feels for their victims. Not even close.

Hard to say if the dolls will help lessen attacks on children.
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Well, my gf is working on her Ph.D. in brain chemistry [basically] but has a BA in Psychology. She didn't even wince at the notion that this is a fetish and took it as a matter of fact. But she does need to think about the child doll solution. Her first comment was that fetishes can often be satisfied artificially so it might make sense.

Domination is a fetish in its own right, and a very common one! Have you seen what passes as porn these days [BDSM] "Holy crap" is all I can say!!!
 
Ivan Seeking said:
Well, my gf is working on her Ph.D. in brain chemistry [basically] but has a BA in Psychology. She didn't even wince at the notion that this is a fetish and took it as a matter of fact. But she does need to think about the child doll solution. Her first comment was that fetishes can often be satisfied artificially so it might make sense.

Domination is a fetish in its own right, and a very common one!
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We're not talking about consenting adults role-playing or BDSM, and if you can't tell the difference, not sure what else to say.
 
Ivan Seeking said:
Or, are they bound to occur in nature due to the laws of large numbers. There is a certain probability that a person is born this way and it will therefore occur from time to time
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Agree.

One cannot treat pedophiles as if they are aliens or enemies; they are people that are ill. As a society, we are responsible for all our members, especially the sick ones.

It would be irresponsible of us as a people to abdicate responsibility for illnesses in our society.
 
cluelusshusbund said:
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And more to the point, would sex dolls reduce attacks on actual children?



What if the dolls did reduce the attacks on actual children... but also promoted a cultural acceptance, woud you be in favor of the dolls.???
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A cultural acceptance of hurting kids? That would be sad.
 
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