Child marriage, Indonesia

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  1. John99 Banned Banned

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    How about adoption?
     
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  3. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Oooooh, that's even better, ain't it!

    Thanks. I'm off to Little Mexico as soon as I have breakfast!

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  5. Bells Staff Member

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    :bugeye:

    You think what this guy has done is admirable?
     
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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    No, I'm telling you that what is a pervert to you, is a saviour to them.

    If rich men like him did not marry poor girls, what options do you think those girls have?

    Nope, you have to marry her first. Thats unavoidable.

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  8. Zakariya04 and it was Valued Senior Member

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    marry a poor gezza and work hard to better their lives!!
     
  9. Bells Staff Member

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    Of course he's a saviour to them. They off-loaded a child and got money in return. But what does that make him? What is a man who buys children and then marries them?

    Ah geez.. I don't know Sam. Being so culturally inept, maybe I shouldn't be the one to answer that question. You know, since I am a Westerner and all.

    At a glance, one option for these girls is that they wouldn't be the victims of a paedophile.

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    At another quick glance, she would not be a victim of child trafficking.. nor would she be sold off to a paedophile in a marriage contest. The same would apply for the 7 and 9 year old's he plans to marry. The greatest option is that those girls would be able to remain girls and children for that little bit longer instead of having some wretch of a human being lust after them in a marital bed when they are still little girls.

    But I forget.. what is a paedophile to someone like me (the evil Westerner

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    ) is a "saviour" to others.
     
  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    So if your own options were

    -starving
    -begging
    -prostitution
    -child labour
    -wife to a rich man

    which one of these would you choose for your daughter?

    A menstruating girl is not a child. Marriage at menstruation is the norm, not the exception. Pedophilia does not come into it.
     
  11. Zakariya04 and it was Valued Senior Member

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    sam, what is wrong with marrying a poor gezza when they are of age and working hard together to better themselves..
     
  12. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    They are too self-pitying and have an unreasonable sense of victimhood and entitlement.

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  13. Bells Staff Member

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    I'd pick begging. And it would depend on the "labour"..

    I'm sorry, but I really would not have my daughter become a prostitute or be sold off to a paedophile who happens to be rich.. I'd prostitute myself before I did that to my child. But that's just me.

    Are you serious?

    So if a child begins to menstruate at 9 years of age, she automatically becomes a woman and can get married and start popping out children? Good grief, Sam!!.. A menstruating girl is a child until she grows into a woman. And yes, paedophilia would come into it if an adult man decides to bed a 10 year old who happens to be menstruating.. Having sex with a child is paedophilia, regardless of whether she has had her period or not.

    What you are basically saying is that if an adult has sex with a child, it is not paedophilia if she has menstruated. I'm sorry Sam, but that is so warped that words simply fail me at the moment. If said child begins to menstruate early.. and some do due to hormonal imbalances.. say at the age of 7 or 8, she does not become a "woman" and any man or woman who has sex with said child would be a paedophile.
     
  14. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    This is too damn funny. Sam defends her religion in very much the same way those pedophiles are defending their religion, so that the "options" Sam refers continue as the only options available to young girls living amongst pedophiles who use their religion to get their jollies.

    Sam would prefer to keep the system going rather than make drastic changes to her religion.
     
  15. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Of course, except beggar street children in Indonesia will probably get raped by goons. Which wouldn't bother you, since it is better than prostitution and marriage.

    Like I said, marriage at menstruation is the norm rather than the exception. This reminds me of the war against sodomy in the west before they finally decided that homosexuality was acceptable.
     
  16. Zakariya04 and it was Valued Senior Member

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    so thats the problem and marrying rich dudes doesnt help society.

    the rich dudes would better help their society if they used their money to invest in infastructure like education etc for these people
     
  17. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    You mean, socialism?

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  18. Zakariya04 and it was Valued Senior Member

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    no no no bells it is not religion
     
  19. Bells Staff Member

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    Then I'd do the begging and everything else to keep her safe and away from perverts.

    What the?!?

    Err Sam... You are comparing sex between consenting adults of the same sex as being akin to a grown man having sex with a 7 year old if she's started to menstruate?
     
  20. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    And of course, recognizing children for what they are; children, is irrelevant for the much needed change in Islamic beliefs, no?

    Change is NOT an option, Sam?
     
  21. Ghost_007 Registered Senior Member

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    I think Inzomnia and Sam have nailed this topic. You can't seem to put yourself in the position of poor people that are forced into such a situation.

    When your back is against the wall, when you can't afford to raise all your children properly, you will have to seriously consider the option of sending your daughter (or even your son) to a matey that can look after them, feed them, educate them etc. The parents have the responsibility to ensure they don't hand the youngens to any Tom, Dick and Harry, they have to ensure the guy can support the kid and has the means to raise them. If when the girl is ready for marriage he decides to marry her (she agrees to it) then what is the problem?

    This is one extreme case, its wrong but you are using such strong words (pedophile, child trafficking) that it doesn't help understanding the issue in general. And yes, Westerners are generally very, very paranoid about pedophiles, this wasn't even the case 10-20 years back. Children's programmes on tv have changed as well - possibly because of this. Just because an older guy is with younger children doesn't indicate he is sexually attracted to them. Being attracted to children that haven't developed sexually is crazy and I would also say very, very rare. People are too paranoid.
     
  22. Zakariya04 and it was Valued Senior Member

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    whatever ism you want to put on it
    well i mean investing iin your society, , i am tlaking about people investing to better their soceity
     
  23. Bells Staff Member

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    Thank you!

    Finally.. a word of sense..

    And I agree with you. The money he spent on buying a child bride would have been better spent donating it to the village to improve the education and living standards for them.. or possibly providing a financial incentive for a local industry to help them out of poverty.
     

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