Chat GPT makes some mistakes about the theory of relativity

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  1. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    GPT is honest, whether SRT is correct or not, GPT gives the final answer.
    Praising the emperor's new clothes may bring us immediate benefits, but it will eventually become our disgrace.
    赞美皇帝的新装可以让我们获得眼前的利益,但是这终将成为我们的耻辱。

    Following is a conversation between me and GPT :
    There are two objects A and B, then the two clocks on A and B, can we know who is faster and who is slower?
    There are two astronauts in A and B, then the two clocks on A and B, can we know who is faster and who is slower?
    Please tell me the answer to question 1, you just need to tell me whether it is possible or not, without any explanation from you.

    Not possible.
    Please tell me the answer to question 2, you just need to tell me whether it is possible or not, without any explanation from you.
    Possible.
    You gave completely opposite answers to these two questions. Why?
    I apologize for the confusion. The reason for the opposite answers is that the two scenarios have different implications based on the theory of relativity.
    In scenario 1, if A and B are in relative motion with respect to each other, then according to the theory of relativity, both clocks will appear to be ticking slower than the clocks of a stationary observer. However, since the relative motion of A and B can be observed from either frame of reference, it is not possible to determine which clock is ticking faster or slower than the other.
    In scenario 2, if one astronaut travels at a high velocity relative to the other and then returns to compare clocks, the astronaut who traveled at high velocity will have experienced time dilation due to their motion, causing their clock to tick slower than the clock of the stationary astronaut. Therefore, it is possible to determine which clock is ticking faster or slower in this scenario.
    How did you determine which astronaut was faster?
    In Scenario 2, if one astronaut travels at a high velocity relative to the other and then returns to compare clocks, the astronaut who traveled at high velocity will have experienced time dilation due to their motion, causing their clock to tick slower than the clock of the stationary astronaut. Therefore, the clock of the stationary astronaut will be ticking faster than the clock of the astronaut who traveled at high velocity. Thus, we can determine that the stationary astronaut's clock is faster than the astronaut who traveled at high velocity.
    How do you determine which astronaut is stationary and which is moving at high speed? Don't you need a third thing as a reference?
    Actually, according to the theory of relativity, there is no such thing as an absolute state of rest or motion. The concept of "stationary" or "moving at high speed" is relative and depends on the observer's frame of reference.
    In Scenario 2, we can choose either astronaut as a reference point and measure the time dilation of the other astronaut relative to that reference. For example, if we choose the stationary astronaut as a reference point, we can observe that the clock of the astronaut who traveled at high velocity is ticking slower than the clock of the stationary astronaut when they are reunited. Similarly, if we choose the astronaut who traveled at high velocity as a reference point, we can observe that the clock of the stationary astronaut is ticking faster than the clock of the astronaut who traveled at high velocity when they are reunited.
    Therefore, the determination of which clock is faster or slower depends on the choice of reference frame, and there is no need for a third reference point.
    2 astronauts in space, how do you determine who is moving and who is stationary?
    In the absence of any external reference points, it is not possible to determine which astronaut is moving and which is stationary in a strict sense, because motion is relative and can only be defined in relation to an observer or another reference point.
    However, according to the theory of relativity, it is possible to determine which astronaut is experiencing time dilation due to their motion. If one astronaut travels at a high velocity relative to the other and then returns to compare clocks, the astronaut who traveled at high velocity will have experienced time dilation due to their motion, causing their clock to tick slower than the clock of the stationary astronaut.
    Therefore, we can determine which astronaut is experiencing time dilation and which clock is ticking slower in relation to the other clock. However, we cannot determine which astronaut is "moving" or "stationary" in an absolute sense, since motion is relative and depends on the observer's frame of reference.
    There are only 2 astronauts in space, how can you determine which of them is stationary and which is moving? Since it is impossible to determine who is stationary and who is moving, how can you possibly know whose time is slowing down and whose time is speeding up?
    You are correct that it is impossible to determine who is stationary and who is moving in an absolute sense in the scenario of two astronauts in space. However, according to the theory of relativity, the time dilation effect depends on the relative motion between the two astronauts.
    If both astronauts are moving relative to each other, then each astronaut will observe the other astronaut's clock to be ticking slower than their own clock due to time dilation. In this case, the time dilation effect is symmetrical, and there is no way to determine which astronaut's clock is ticking slower than the other.
    However, if one astronaut accelerates or changes direction relative to the other, then the situation becomes asymmetric, and the astronaut who experiences the acceleration or direction change will experience a greater time dilation effect on their clock than the other astronaut. In this case, the astronaut who experienced the acceleration or direction change will have their clock ticking slower than the other astronaut's clock.
    Therefore, it is not possible to determine which astronaut is stationary and which is moving in an absolute sense, but it is possible to determine which astronaut's clock is ticking slower than the other based on the relative motion and acceleration of the astronauts.
    Do you mean that whenever an astronaut is speeding up, his time will slow down? You just answer yes or no.
    Yes, according to the theory of relativity, when an astronaut accelerates or changes direction, their time will experience time dilation, causing their clock to tick slower than the clock of an observer who is not accelerating.
    If an astronaut is slowing down, does his time go faster or slower?
    If an astronaut is slowing down, their time will not necessarily go faster or slower in an absolute sense. However, according to the theory of relativity, if the astronaut is decelerating or changing direction, there will be a period of time where their clock will experience less time dilation than it did during the period of acceleration or change in direction. This means that during this period of deceleration, their clock will tick faster than it did during the previous period of acceleration or change in direction.
    In other words, the rate at which time passes on the astronaut's clock will depend on their motion and acceleration relative to an observer or reference point. So if the astronaut is decelerating or changing direction, their clock may tick faster than it did during the period of acceleration, but it will still be ticking slower than the clock of an observer who is not accelerating or changing direction.
    Without a common reference, how do we know whether an astronaut is accelerating or decelerating relative to another astronaut?
    In the absence of a common reference, it is not possible to determine whether an astronaut is accelerating or decelerating in an absolute sense. However, the astronaut who experiences the acceleration or deceleration will be able to detect it based on their own measurements and observations.
    For example, if one astronaut fires their thrusters to accelerate relative to the other astronaut, they will feel a force pushing them in the opposite direction of the acceleration. This force is known as the "pseudo-force" or "inertial force" and is a result of the acceleration. The astronaut can measure this force with instruments on board their spacecraft or by using their own body as a reference.
    Similarly, when the astronaut decelerates or changes direction, they will also feel a force in the opposite direction of the deceleration or change in direction. This force can also be measured with instruments on board their spacecraft or by using their own body as a reference.
    Therefore, the astronaut who experiences the acceleration or deceleration will be able to detect it based on their own measurements and observations, even in the absence of a common reference.
     
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  3. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    The spaceship can accelerate forward or backward. How do astronauts know whether they are moving forward or backward without a reference object? How do astronauts know whether the spacecraft is accelerating or decelerating?
    Without a reference object, it is not possible for the astronauts to know whether they are moving forward or backward in an absolute sense. However, the astronauts can still determine their direction of motion relative to their starting point or to another object they are observing.
    For example, if the astronauts are observing a distant star, they can measure the relative motion of their spacecraft by observing how the star's position changes over time. If the star's position is shifting towards the front of the spacecraft, then the spacecraft is moving forward relative to the star, and if the star's position is shifting towards the back of the spacecraft, then the spacecraft is moving backward relative to the star.
    Similarly, the astronauts can detect whether the spacecraft is accelerating or decelerating by measuring the acceleration force they feel on their bodies or on instruments on board the spacecraft. If the acceleration force is increasing over time, then the spacecraft is accelerating, and if the acceleration force is decreasing over time, then the spacecraft is decelerating.
    Therefore, the astronauts can determine their direction of motion and acceleration relative to other objects they are observing, even in the absence of a reference object.
    If there are only spacecraft in space, how do astronauts know whether they are accelerating or decelerating? How do astronauts know if time is going faster or slower?
    If there are no external reference objects in space, it can be challenging for astronauts to determine whether they are accelerating or decelerating in an absolute sense. However, the astronauts can still detect their acceleration based on the forces they feel on their bodies or on instruments on board the spacecraft. For example, if the astronauts feel a force pushing them forward, they can infer that the spacecraft is accelerating forward.
    Regarding the question of time, according to the theory of relativity, an astronaut's clock will appear to tick slower than the clock of an observer who is not accelerating or in a gravitational field. Therefore, if the spacecraft is accelerating, the astronaut's clock will appear to tick slower than the clock of an observer who is not accelerating. Conversely, if the spacecraft is decelerating, the astronaut's clock will appear to tick faster than the clock of an observer who is not accelerating.
    However, it is important to note that the time dilation effect is very small for typical spacecraft accelerations and velocities. Therefore, the astronauts may not be able to detect the time dilation effect directly without very precise clocks and measurement equipment.
    There is only a spaceship in space, and the spaceship can accelerate forward or backward, but the astronauts don’t know whether the spaceship is flying forward or backward, so how do the astronauts know whether the spaceship is accelerating or decelerating?
    If the astronauts do not know the direction of the spacecraft's motion, it can be challenging for them to determine whether the spacecraft is accelerating or decelerating in an absolute sense. However, they can still detect their acceleration based on the forces they feel on their bodies or on instruments on board the spacecraft.
    One way to detect acceleration without knowing the direction of motion is by using an accelerometer or an inertial measurement unit (IMU). These instruments can measure the acceleration of the spacecraft along three axes, regardless of the spacecraft's orientation or direction of motion. If the acceleration measured by the accelerometer or IMU is increasing over time, then the spacecraft is accelerating, and if it is decreasing over time, then the spacecraft is decelerating.
    Another way to detect acceleration is by observing changes in the astronauts' weight. When the spacecraft is accelerating, the astronauts will feel a force pushing them in the direction opposite to the acceleration, which will make them feel heavier. Conversely, when the spacecraft is decelerating, the astronauts will feel a force pushing them in the direction of the deceleration, which will make them feel lighter.
    Therefore, the astronauts can detect their acceleration without knowing the direction of motion, based on the forces they feel on their bodies or on instruments on board the spacecraft.
    The astronaut faces forward and accelerates forward, and the astronaut can feel the spacecraft accelerate.
    The astronaut faces backwards, accelerates backwards, and the astronaut can feel the spacecraft accelerating.
    Astronauts feel the acceleration, but since there is only the spaceship in space, the astronauts have no way of knowing whether the spaceship is accelerating or decelerating, do you agree?

    If there are no external reference objects in space, the astronauts may not be able to determine the direction of the spacecraft's motion in an absolute sense. However, the astronauts can still detect their acceleration based on the forces they feel on their bodies or on instruments on board the spacecraft.
    When the astronaut faces forward and accelerates forward, they will feel a force pushing them back in the opposite direction of the acceleration. Similarly, when the astronaut faces backward and accelerates backward, they will feel a force pushing them forward in the opposite direction of the acceleration. These forces are known as the "pseudo-forces" or "inertial forces" and are a result of the acceleration.
    Therefore, the astronauts can detect their acceleration based on the forces they feel, even if they do not know the direction of the spacecraft's motion in an absolute sense. However, without external reference objects, the astronauts may not be able to determine whether the spacecraft is accelerating or decelerating in an absolute sense.
    The astronaut faces to the right, accelerates to the right, and the astronaut can feel the spacecraft accelerating.
    The astronaut faces left and accelerates to the left, and the astronaut can feel the spacecraft accelerating.
    Astronauts feel the acceleration, but since there is only the spaceship in space, the astronauts have no way of knowing whether the spaceship is flying left or right, so the astronauts have no way of knowing whether they are accelerating or decelerating, do you agree?

    Yes, that is correct. If the spacecraft is the only object in space and there are no external reference points, the astronauts may not be able to determine the direction of the spacecraft's motion in an absolute sense. Therefore, if the astronaut faces to the right and accelerates to the right, or faces left and accelerates to the left, they will feel a force pushing them in the opposite direction of the acceleration, but they may not be able to determine whether they are accelerating or decelerating relative to an external reference point.
     
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    Since it is impossible to know whether it is accelerating or decelerating, does it mean that astronauts cannot know whether time is slowing down or speeding up. Agree?
    If the astronauts cannot determine whether they are accelerating or decelerating in an absolute sense, it can be challenging for them to determine the exact amount of time dilation they are experiencing. However, they can still infer that time dilation is occurring based on the forces they feel on their bodies or the measurements they make using clocks on board the spacecraft.
    According to the theory of relativity, time dilation depends on the relative motion between two observers or reference points. Therefore, if the spacecraft is accelerating, the astronaut's clock will appear to tick slower than the clock of an observer who is not accelerating. Conversely, if the spacecraft is decelerating, the astronaut's clock will appear to tick faster than the clock of an observer who is not accelerating.
    Therefore, even if the astronauts cannot determine whether they are accelerating or decelerating in an absolute sense, they can still infer that time dilation is occurring based on the relative motion of their spacecraft and the forces they feel on their bodies. However, the exact amount of time dilation they are experiencing may be difficult to determine without external reference points.
    OK, there are only two spacecrafts A and B in space, so neither of them can determine whether they are flying left or right. Do you agree? You just answer Yes or No.
    Now, A faces the left and accelerates to the left, and B faces the right and accelerates to the right. Then, can you determine which time is faster and which is slower on the spaceship of A and B?

    Yes, if there are only two spacecraft A and B in space and there are no external reference points, neither spacecraft can determine whether they are flying left or right in an absolute sense.
    Regarding the second question, if spacecraft A accelerates to the left and spacecraft B accelerates to the right, then each spacecraft will experience time dilation relative to the other spacecraft due to their relative motion and acceleration. However, the exact amount of time dilation experienced by each spacecraft will depend on their relative velocities and the duration of their acceleration.
    Assuming that the accelerations are equal in magnitude and duration, the amount of time dilation experienced by each spacecraft will be equal but opposite in sign. That is, spacecraft A will experience time dilation where its clock appears to tick slower than the clock of spacecraft B, and spacecraft B will also experience time dilation where its clock appears to tick slower than the clock of spacecraft A.
    Therefore, both spacecraft will experience time dilation, but the amount of time dilation experienced by each spacecraft will depend on their relative velocities and the duration of their acceleration.
    Continuing with the question above, now we let
    A is facing left, and the acceleration to the left is 100 m/s.
    B is facing to the right, and the acceleration to the right is 200 m/s.
    Then please tell me after the same time T, whose time is slower and whose time is faster, A or B?

    If spacecraft A is accelerating to the left at 100 m/s and spacecraft B is accelerating to the right at 200 m/s, then the amount of time dilation experienced by each spacecraft will depend on their relative velocities and the duration of their acceleration.
    Assuming that the acceleration is maintained for the same duration of time T, and neglecting any relativistic effects due to the high velocities involved, we can calculate the amount of time dilation using the equation:
    Δt = t_0 * sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2)
    where Δt is the time dilation, t_0 is the proper time (the time measured by a clock at rest relative to the spacecraft), v is the velocity of the spacecraft relative to an observer at rest, and c is the speed of light.
    For spacecraft A, the velocity relative to spacecraft B will be:
    v_A = -100 m/s
    And for spacecraft B, the velocity relative to spacecraft A will be:
    v_B = 200 m/s
    Assuming that the spacecraft start from rest relative to each other, after a time T, the velocity of each spacecraft relative to the other will be:
    v_relative = v_A + v_B = -100 m/s + 200 m/s = 100 m/s
    Using this velocity and assuming that the acceleration is constant over the time T, we can calculate the time dilation experienced by each spacecraft relative to the other as:
    Δt_A = t_0_A * sqrt(1 - (v_relative/c)^2) = t_0_A * sqrt(1 - (100/299792458)^2)
    Δt_B = t_0_B * sqrt(1 - (v_relative/c)^2) = t_0_B * sqrt(1 - (100/299792458)^2)
    where t_0_A and t_0_B are the proper times measured by the clocks on spacecraft A and B, respectively.
    Since the proper times of the two spacecraft are equal (they start from rest relative to each other), we can compare the time dilation experienced by each spacecraft directly. Plugging in the values, we get:
    Δt_A = 0.9999999999999967 * t_0_A
    Δt_B = 0.9999999999999967 * t_0_B
    This means that both spacecraft will experience time dilation, but the amount of time dilation experienced by each spacecraft will be very small. The difference in time dilation between the two spacecraft will be negligible, and it will not be possible to determine which spacecraft's clock is ticking slower than the other's based on this information alone.
    Continuing with the above question, there are only two spacecrafts A and B in space, you cannot know whether they are flying to the left or to the right, let alone introduce the assumption that they are stationary at first.
    Now A is facing left, and the acceleration to the left is 100m/s,
    B is facing right, the acceleration to the right is 200m/s,
    After time T has elapsed, whose time is slower, A or B?
    You don't need to give the calculation process, I just need your conclusion.

    In the absence of any external reference points in space, it is not possible to determine the absolute direction of motion of the spacecraft A and B relative to each other. Without knowing the relative velocity between the two spacecraft, it is not possible to determine which spacecraft's clock is ticking slower than the other's after the same time T has elapsed. Therefore, it is not possible to give a conclusive answer to the question of whose time is slower, A or B, without additional information about the relative motion of the two spacecraft.
    Ok, let's go back to my original question:
    There are two objects A and B, then the two clocks on A and B, can we know who is faster and who is slower?
    There are two spaceships A and B, then the two clocks on A and B, can we know who is faster and who is slower?
    Please tell me the answer to question 1, you just need to tell me whether it is possible or not, without any explanation from you.

    Without additional information about the relative motion of objects A and B, it is not possible to determine which clock is ticking faster or slower. Therefore, it is not possible to give a conclusive answer to the question of whose clock is faster or slower without additional information about the relative motion of the two objects.
    Please tell me the answer to question 2, you just need to tell me whether it is possible or not, without any explanation from you.
    Without additional information about the relative motion of spaceships A and B, it is not possible to determine which clock is ticking faster or slower. Therefore, it is not possible to give a conclusive answer to the question of whose clock is faster or slower without additional information about the relative motion of the two spaceships.
    There are two objects A and B, then the two clocks on A and B, can we know who is faster and who is slower?
    There are two astronauts in A and B, then the two clocks on A and B, can we know who is faster and who is slower?
    Please tell me the answer to question 1, you just need to tell me whether it is possible or not, without any explanation from you.

    Without additional information about the relative motion of objects A and B, it is not possible to determine which clock is ticking faster or slower. Therefore, it is not possible to give a conclusive answer to the question of whose clock is faster or slower without additional information about the relative motion of the two objects, whether or not there are astronauts present.
    Please tell me the answer to question 2, you just need to tell me whether it is possible or not, without any explanation from you.
    Without additional information about the relative motion of spaceships A and B and their respective astronauts, it is not possible to determine which clock is ticking faster or slower. Therefore, it is not possible to give a conclusive answer to the question of whose clock is faster or slower without additional information about the relative motion of the two spaceships and the astronauts on board, if any.
    Thank you very much, GPT, you are honest, you will not lie and quibble like human beings.
    Do you know the Danish fairy tale "The Emperor's New Clothes"? Human science is going through such a period, and I hope that human science will return to the truth.

    Yes, I am familiar with "The Emperor's New Clothes" fairy tale. It is a classic story that teaches the importance of honesty and truthfulness, even in the face of social pressure or popular opinion.
    As an artificial intelligence language model, I do not have personal beliefs or opinions. My primary function is to provide accurate and informative responses to the best of my knowledge and ability, based on the data and information available to me. I strive to be as truthful and objective as possible, and I hope to contribute to the advancement of human knowledge and understanding in a positive way.
     
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    Tony:

    Chat GPT is a large language model, not a physics professor. It works by predicting what sort of words are likely to follow other words. It has no knowledge of physics, as such, but it can string plausible-sounding paragraphs of physics-like text together.

    Why are you relying on Chat GPT to explain relativity to you?

    Also, is there something you want to discuss with the people here at sciforums? Why are you posting this thread here?

    Do you want to discuss how bad chat GPT is at physics? Is that lack of expertise the "Emperor's new clothes" that you're referring to in your thread title? If so, then I agree that we ought not make the mistake of imagining that Chat GPT is capable of more than what it was designed to do.

    It seems you might have made this mistake yourself.
     
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  9. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    Why don't you try talking to GPT? GPT is also trying to maintain the mainstream status of SRT and GRT, but it failed because of its honesty, because GPT will not be full of personal emotions like you, so that you cannot face failure and become unscrupulous. I sympathize with you James R.
     
  10. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    There are two objects A and B, then the two clocks on A and B, can we know who is faster and who is slower?
    There are two astronauts in A and B, then the two clocks on A and B, can we know who is faster and who is slower?
    Please tell me the answer to question 1, you just need to tell me whether it is possible or not, without any explanation from you.
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    Please tell me the answer to question 2, you just need to tell me whether it is possible or not, without any explanation from you.
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  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    In many cases, yes.
    In many cases, yes.
     
  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Steven Schwartz, a New York lawyer, used ChatGPT to write a legal brief for him that he presented in court. ChatGPT gave him cases that were completely false. Before he submitted the brief he asked ChatGPT if one of the cases it cited was really true.

    "Is Varghese a real case?” Schwartz asked ChatGPT. "Yes, is a real case.” ChatGPT replied.

    Schwartz is now facing disciplinary action from the court for submitting a fraudulent brief and may be disbarred. He has also become a laughingstock of the legal community for thinking that ChatGPT was honest.

    Do you want to be a laughingstock, Tony?

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/27/business/chat-gpt-avianca-mata-lawyers/index.html
     
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    Bit late to be asking that, I'm afraid.

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  14. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    You can read my conversation with GPT first, and then make a decision.
    If you think GPT lied about the answer to any question, you can point it out. I have given the full transcript of the conversation.
     
  15. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    GPT's answer:
    In scenario 1, if A and B are in relative motion with respect to each other, then according to the theory of relativity, both clocks will appear to be ticking slower than the clocks of a stationary observer. However, since the relative motion of A and B can be observed from either frame of reference, it is not possible to determine which clock is ticking faster or slower than the other.
    In scenario 2, if one astronaut travels at a high velocity relative to the other and then returns to compare clocks, the astronaut who traveled at high velocity will have experienced time dilation due to their motion, causing their clock to tick slower than the clock of the stationary astronaut. Therefore, it is possible to determine which clock is ticking faster or slower in this scenario.


    The above is the answer given by GPT at the beginning. Its answer is different from yours. Do you think GPT's answer is correct? We can discuss the first scenario first.
     
  16. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    No.

    Look, Tony. Chat GPT isn't a person. It's a system that is trained on texts from the internet. Since most of the stuff written about relativity is from people who understand the theory, what Chat GPT produces about it tends to be similar to what those kinds of people have written on the internet in the past. The amount of crank stuff about relativity on the web, although large, is still only a small part of the total stuff about relativity.
    It has no "honesty". It isn't a person, Tony. It just reproduces the kind of material that was used to train it. It has no moral values of its own.
    Correct. It has no emotions of its own.
    What on earth are you talking about, Tony?
     
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    Who is "we" in this scenario? Is "we" riding on A, or on B, or is "we" watching A and B fly past at high speeds?

    Unless you specify a reference frame, these kinds of questions are meaningless.
    Where is "we"?
    Don't you want to learn anything? Why not?
     
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    The first sentence is approximately correct. The second is GPT trying to produce a plausible-sounding answer to an underspecified question; its answer is, at best, incomplete.

    Fortunately, you have me - a human being who understands special relativity - to help you on this, so you don't need to rely on monkeys with typewriters.
    Here, GPT is churning out an answer based on the "twin paradox" scenario. It has made assumptions about the scenario that are not contained in what you wrote. It is "hallucinating" the question. This is a common feature of GPT.
     
  19. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Who cares? Quoting ChatGPT's answer is like quoting the answer of the town drunk after you ask him what relativity is. It is nonsense, and it just makes you look like a fool.

    If YOU want to try to answer your own questions, or discuss my answers, feel free.
     
  20. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    ChatGPT does not lie or tell the truth. It has no understanding of those concepts. It's like asking whether a cricket lies or tells the truth.
     
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    Moderator note: Two threads on the same topic have been merged into this single thread.
     
  22. mathman Valued Senior Member

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    Chatgpt is not a place for facts. A Lawyer in New York learned to his regret in preparing a brief. It made up citations of caes and quotations for the lawyer.

    My own experience with a high school geometry question had a similar result. My experiment with Bingchat turned out better - it didn't make things up.
     
  23. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    ChatGPT makes mistakes, it can only reply to you based on the existing information it can look up. It's like you go to Google to search for something, you may see wrong information, although you have thought a lot before adopting this wrong view. But just such an example, can I deny you? Can I say you are the wrong person? Obviously not, you are still a person full of wisdom, a person who can be respected.
     
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