Cause of the Big Bang

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by machiaventa, Jun 11, 2008.

  1. RussT Registered Member

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    I'm just saying, we are too smart to buy into the idea that space is infinite and has always been there, way too smart for that.

    This doesn't define anything useful at all! You might as well evoke GOD.

    Always was, always will be.


    When time (the primordial unit) came into existence, (so did space itself).

    This is pure myth, and actually, 'science' cannot determine Either.

    The is no way to determine when the universe started OR if it is infinite or finite in Time or Space.

    However, IF you understand that 'something' can "Go Through" SMBH's, the initial conditions that describe 'how our space gets here', and then 'how Matter is created" and New Galaxies are formed, then we CAN understand 'How Our Universe Is Working"!!!
     
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  3. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    RussT, did you just miss the humor and sarcasm part?

    Oh well, it was a good chance to take another trip through the SMBH

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  5. RussT Registered Member

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    RussT, did you just miss the humor and sarcasm part?

    I just figured that you were suggesting that the QSSC type anti-Big Bang was the correct way to view 'how the universe is working'....sorry.

    Oh well, it was a good chance to take another trip through the SMBH

    I understand this completely now, and I am saying that the ONLY answer to how our space is getting here, and figuring out what our space is made of, and how fast it is traveling, and Then showing how New Galaxies are being Born...with the creation of the SMBH's for each galaxy, one at a time, is.....

    "Space" going "OUT" of OUR SMBH's, down to a lower Universe, and...the SMBH's in an Upper Universe, sending us OuR Space.

    Those are "Real" Physical BLack Holes, and the 'Space' can then be shown to be "REAL"...

    Neutrinos, carrying the CMB 'energy', that is the ZPE....that is "REAL"...not the unreal "Virtual Particle "Foam" BS......as soon as they had to make virtual particles to make their stuff work, they should have known they were wrong.
     
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  7. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    OK, let's look at that. First, to help me understand the situation here, how many dimensions is the space in this whole picture? Try to answer with one number like 4 or 3 or something because I have another question but I need to know the answer to this question first.
     
  8. Reiku Banned Banned

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    RussT

    Do you know what imensely annoying about reading your posts.. and also seems to be perfectly identical to Bishops style as well? You often, and unduly, skip down a line once you have not even finished a proper paragraph, and then soak all your words in '' '' . It's very annoying, and i tent to not read your stuff because of this.

    Maybe you will change this habbit?
     
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  9. RussT Registered Member

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    The quick answer is this...

    Space is ALL Neutrinos going at "c" in ALL/Every Direction, non-collisionally!

    Gazillions are going through your body right now in ALL directions without colliding in any way!

    That is Non-baryonic DM in 3D Euclidian Space.

    The ONLY place where 'space' becomes 4D is "IN" Black Holes.

    Time is "Constant" and non-dimesional....Time does NOT make a 4th spacial dimension!
     
  10. Reiku Banned Banned

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    Maybe that's a catagoric ''no.''
     
  11. Reiku Banned Banned

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    It was once believed neutrino's did move at ''c'', but that is no longer true. Also, the way you treat a black hole, is if it is a seperate entity to space itself, which it is not.
     
  12. kaneda Actual Cynic Registered Senior Member

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    Same old, same old. Nothing new. Proof you are incapable of thinking of anything new.
     
  13. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    Lol, no flame here in this statement, but I know what it feels like to have no observational evidence. There is no way to prove that space is not non-collisional neutrinos. But when I weigh your "background" with mine, my background begins to sound better to me

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    You say yours IS dark matter, and in mine, dark matter forms from the background energy since the energy density resides above the equalization threshold (above equilibrium level). Dark matter is pre-particle matter and in a universe where energy has always existed and has always had an average universal energy density above the matter formation threshold, both matter (fundamental particles), and dark matter have always existed.

    Since dark matter feels and exerts gravity, it "hangs" around large structure in the universe like in and around galaxies but it has no charge and cannot be directly detected. In QWC the energy density and therefore the density of dark matter is lower in intergalactic space.

    QWC takes place in 3-D space but there is no 3 + 1 space and space and time are not coupled. Black holes are high density accumulations of matter and energy where the compression of gravity is go great that nothing can escape. They are defeated in QWC only when they encompass a content that is equivalent the finite matter and energy of our expanding arena. That condition sets off an energy density so great that matter cannot function and in QWC mass has gravity, so when mass can't function gravity can't either.

    Our arena is one of a potentially infinite number of such arenas that are always forming and playing out in the greater universe which has an infinite amount of energy.

    Time is the same in your cosmology as it is in mine.

    If dark matter is non-collisional as you predict, then how does it interact to cause the gravitational effect observed that accounts for dark matter theory?
     
  14. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    RussT, I have been hoping you could answer that question. Isn't it as simple as the possibility that the neutrino sea that you predict is more like a suspension of neutrinos in an energy background. The background consisting of energy density with density fluctuations caused by quantum waves the expand spherically at the speed of light. If so, I guess the neutrinos would ride the quantum waves like cosmic surfers

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    But perhaps more realistically, if we can talk reality in such speculative degrees, neutrinos would be emitted from high energy events like the collapse of stars or the collisions of high energy particles.

    As if we could address the nature of neutrinos in regard to mass, we would find indications that they can have mass.

    On the other hand it seems important in standard theory that we consider the photon to have zero rest mass. But it is possible that even photons have positive rest mass.

    You may have realized that in my cosmology (QWC) which we have discussed, anything that stands out from the energy background must be composed of fundamental energy quanta, the incremental unit of mass and energy and that includes photons.

    The energy they carry is produced by quantum waves from quantum action at the source and the quantum wave "complex" that is a photon is made up of multiple quantum waves emanating spherically form a source. The source has an energy level and the energy of the photons emanating from the source at that particular energy level will produce photons that "communicate" the energy level of that source.
     
  15. AlphaNumeric Fully ionized Moderator

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    Yes, your reply was the same old stuff. No retorts, too scared to discuss my work, too scared to come into the maths and physics forum. You obviously do have a lot to hide, given you refuse to engage me in any actual quantitative discussion on any topic.
     
  16. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    I keep wondering why this type of conversation seems to creep into almost every thread where either of you makes a post. Do you actually know each other, or do you think the entire community cares what you think of each other. Very boring. Why doesn't anyone say anything about this "virus"?

    I'm not on a crusade to interfere but when I post and subscribe to a thread I get an email saying there was a reply. It often turns out to be off topic drivel. Can we split threads like this and send the off topic debate elsewhere? Or is everyone happy reading the same off topic conversation over and over on numerous threads?
     
  17. Mr. Hamtastic whackawhackado! Registered Senior Member

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    Let me just say.... this all appears to be poo.
    Show me a physicist who knows what caused the big bang and I'll show you a Nobel Prize winner. The honest ones all answer the same. "We don't know." Perhaps I should make a prediction of wild rabid flying gerbils bursting from the anus of all of those who have "evidence" of a first cause that is more than pure speculation.
     
  18. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    Are you making that prediction? If so I sure don't want to see your evidence

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  19. RussT Registered Member

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    Sorry, I missed this post.

    I will respond to this Fri/Sat...
     
  20. Mr. Hamtastic whackawhackado! Registered Senior Member

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    My evidence would require a volunteer... Any takers? I'm sure I can find a wild rabid gerbil and strap some wings onto it. Then I would insert it into the Anus of my volunteer. Then I would encourage my volunteer to claim to know what caused the big bang. Then we wait. Maybe I should get several different volunteers, not sure what will happen if the gerbil DOESN'T come flying out. Might need a replacement volunteer in that case.

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  21. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    I don't qualify. All of my cosmology comes with a disclaimer. No new evidence, reasonable speculation, and we will never know for sure. However, it is a bit better than the flying gerbil speculation if you allow any distinction at all.

    I am far enough into the speculation game that I recognize three main categories, wild, idle, and responsible. "Gerbils where the sun don't shine" is "wild", Green Meanies leaving a trail of multi-verses as they wind their way across the greater universe is "idle", and a potentially infinite energy background from which energy quanta stand out and of which all matter is composed is responsible on my personal scale.

    Do you see any difference from your perspective or is all speculation just wild anal fantasy?
     
  22. RussT Registered Member

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    BUT, you don't understand how the Big Bang concept has warped what you think.

    Thinking our "Visable Universe" was once a 'smaller' 'spherical' shape in the past, that is somehow part of a larger 'spherical' universe is meaningless!!!

    Mainstream thinks that they are actually covering ALL potentials for what the universe can be when they consider "Static" (Einsteins Original "Blunder") or "Open" (Flat and Expanding forever), Or "CLosed" (Contracting back down to whatever 'smaller' size it originated from.

    ALL of that is absolutely "Meaningless"~~~The Universe has NEVER had any chance what-so-ever of "Gravitationally Collapsing" in on itself....PERIOD!!!!

    Therefore, the Naked Singularity expanding does NOT and Has NEVER existed!!!!

    Neither do ANY of the Expanding OR Contracting "Horizons"!!!

    In addition, you are taking 'Virtual Particles' as "Real".........They DO NOT exist.

    So, I'll ask you the same question I asked Bishadi, which he never answered.

    How do the elctrons/protons/neutrons get their Mass?

    As far as I can tell, you think that the "Virtual Particles" 'sea' "Foam" become "Real" electrons/Protons that imbue(d) 'space' with Hydrogen/Helium....is that correct?


    NOW, When I say, that SMBH's are NOT created by the collapse of Baryonic Matter...........Do you understand what that really means?....

    AND, that IS from "New Observation"...........Mine......that Long GRB's (3 to 500 seconds) are New SMBH's for galaxies and Dwarf galaxies, from the collapse of Non-Baryonic Neutrinos, which IS the Cause/Effect for the High Gamma Radiation the imbues the electrons/protons with their Mass/Energy...

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  23. Reiku Banned Banned

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    Russ, why do you soak most of all your words in '' ''?
     

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