For any and all that wish to comment. I live in Connecticut. We used to get a lot of rumors the a lot of the pot that was coming around was laced (something else added to it.) Just curious if this happens in your neck of the woods. I used to get some killer bud very nice high, very expensive and you never got paranoid off it. then like always it dried up and was hard to find for a month or to. When I started smoking again the quality wasn't there and I used to get that paranoid feeling from it do you think it's the quality or the time I stopped smoking. WHO said that!Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Do not understand Never had that with my marijuana or hasj in that way. I can keep it for a long time, and it works fine later too. Do not know what garbage they add sometimes, to let it look better or whatever they do it for. Crazy. You watch out what you buy please......
<i>"It's the adults responsibility to find some way to keep it out of the kids hands."</i> Pizza Boy, It just might be that we adults can't handle that responsibility. Look at the miserable failures and poor control we have had over alcohol and tobacco.
It happened to me in London about 26 years ago. Here's the situation, my brother in law was dying from cancer and he was staying with us, his mother and father were also with him (from Cyprus). His father was a bit of a drinker so he and I were doing about 2 or 3 bottles of scotch between us a week, trying to wipe the reality away, I was also smoking around 3 joints a day (in those days). Well I'm sure the scotch didn't help much but the stash I'd bought in that period was seriously spiked with something and the experience of smoking actually terrified me. One night I smoked a spliff and just lay back on the bed and this is what went through my mind: My brother in law was going to die (this much we knew), his body was going to be flown back to Cyprus and accompanying him on the flight would be his parents and my wife. The plane was going to crash and my wife and her parents would be killed. When I learned that my wife had died I was going to take my own life in my grief and then my own parents would commit suicide also after tragically losing their only child (me). Almost 2 entire families lost, just like that! I was rigid with fear man, hands clawed hard into the bedspread and white as a sheet! A friend of mine who had been smoking from the same stash was also experiencing paranoid feelings from it and one evening he carefully sieved the 1/4 oz of herb and found about a teaspoonful of some brown powdery substance that had been mixed in with it. The paranoia was so intense that we both decided to stop smoking. I actually stopped smoking and drinking for 6 months due to that spiked shit. I've NEVER had even the slightest paranoid shit from my home grown.
Tonight on the news they were talking about all these deaths that have been caused by people taking Viagra. I commented to my wife that many more people had died from Viagra, a legal drug, which has only been around for a couple of years than have from Ecstasy, which has been around for at least a decade. She said, but it's (viagra) a medical drug, it serves a purpose "What good does ecstasy do?" I tried to give her an informed opinion (I've never actually taken it), such as it makes you feel friendly, peaceful, sensual, enhances tactility etc. but she wouldn't listen. To her, it is illegal and therefore bad, not good like viagra (my wife and I are diametrically opposed on almost every opinion---Aries-Libra). So what should we do? Wait for some pharmaceutical firm to offer us legal alternatives to pot and ecstacy and think of them as 'good' even if they do cause countless more deaths than the illegal drugs they will try to replace, which are 'bad'? The hypocrisy is overwhelming. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! If I'm not entirely making my point clear, blame it on Calvets special reserve ( a very expensive-legal-wine).
Fear seems to be the topic at hand...okay. Fear seems to be the topic at hand...okay. I rarely had a good experience while under the influence of weed. My high almost always heightened my awareness of the moment, followed by deep thought and anxiety. I must have found some pleasure in that state of mind because I never turned down the opportunity to partake in it. The thoughts provoked during these <i>mental trips</i> seemed worthy of exploration, but failed to render the same appreciation when reviewed by a sober mind. My worst experience was many years back, when I once mixed my smoke with mushrooms and vodka. My friends and I started one morning getting ripped. Afterwards, I proceeded to my morning english class (H.S.). Unfortunately, the teacher chose that day to open a class discussion regarding individual responsibilities to parents, family, and self. It caused considerable thought and internal reflection on my part, sending me into a tailspin and nearly causing me to crash. I escaped the room with an excuse that I was feeling ill and made a running dash for the air outside.
<i>"The hypocrisy is overwhelming."</i> But placing that aside. What are the real dangers and how are we to resolve them/protect others from potential abuse? What is a responsible resolve for preserving the rights of adults? Apparently, viagra is becoming a drug problem for the elderly.
Simply put, one cannot protect another from them selves. You can have age constraints, warnings, education but ultimately it should be and is up to the individual. As somebody else mentioned, there are countless things which can be dangerous or lethal if used by children, but they are there, on the supermarket shelf and kids have relatively easy access to these things. It is a sad fact of life that some will undoubtedly injure or kill themselves by abusing these things, which are freely available but c'est la vie, that's how it goes.
I find it scary, shocking, and disturbing that in a "free" society that there is even a need to debate the legalization of Marijuana. Let me help you guys out here. The federal government is NOT your friend. The federal government does NOT make the country a safer place to live. The federal government,as it exist now, has NOTHING to do with the United States of America or its constitution. Free thought is the key. Unlock the door if you have the courage.....
So, I take it that the two of you don't have a good answer. If we were to place very tough penalties on those who allow their drugs to reach the hands of the young, would that be a reasonable resolve towards responsible use?
Mushrooms, wodka and marijuana??? There you have your mistake Bowser. Never heard not to drink when you use mushrooms, you can get feeling so sick of that combination. Here in the Netherlands, they put it on the little boxes the mushrooms are in. Do not drink alcohol, you better not smoke marijuana with it. If you do not that, it is a great drug. You can't go wrong on mushrooms, no bad trips like you can get from LSD and Mescal. Though I prefer LSD, had the most wonderful experiences with it. Understand me well, I shall never give or recommend LSD to any one else. You can loose it when you use LSD too much, not good at all. And by the way, if you are going to do something depressing, you do not know that marijuana and hasjiesj make your sad feelings deeper. The stuff works on the mood you are in. So you have to know when to smoke. Man, sound like a teacher here. Maybe because here in Holland, there is more freedom to talk about this. You can even buy mushrooms at the so called Smart-shops. And other tripping stuff, but there is always a 'manual' with it, which tells you how to use it. That was what I wanted to tell. Sory it took so long, haha Talk to you all later............. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Ok Bowser, say a couple of parents keep doctor prescribed valium and viagra in the bathroom cabinet and say they keep a small stash of weed in their bedroom, which they smoke out of sight of their children. Now let's say that the children, being inquisitive and experimental discover these drugs and try some of each, let's say that nothing bad happens to them, but that the fact is discovered by some sort of social worker at school and the parents are reported to the police and arrested. What would YOU charge them with and what sort of punishment would you dole out to them, just to make sure they're more careful in the future?
I completely agree that thus far society as a whole have done a piss poor job of taking responsibility for drug education(including alcohol and tobacco. I don't have an easy answer for keeping it out of the hands of youth, and honestly I don't think there is one, short of raising somewhat honest obediant children. As far as a chemical substitute, I don't think it would ever take hold, there's too many conservatives still in power to kill it off in production. But I think it would also be hard to duplicate, THC is only found in one place to the best of my knowledge, so at most it woul be just reprocessing the pot, sop it would still have to be legalized.
<i>"...what sort of punishment would you dole out to them, just to make sure they're more careful in the future?"</i> Hmm, I grew up in a society that offered cigarettes through vending machines, where beer was only a short wait outside the local minimart, and the access to drugs was only a quick visit with a friends dealing stepfather. What sort of punishment would you dole out to those who make it so easy? As for your example and question, I have no easy answer. It seems that I am looking for answers myself. Nonetheless, I can offer you a parallel example which might better illustrate my concern: Say a couple of parents keep a loaded gun in a bedroom cabinet. Now, let's say that their children, being inquisitive and experimental, discover that loaded gun. Let's say that nothing bad happens to those children during their play, and they shoot a hole only in the ceiling. How would you judge such an incident and how would you view the parents who left a loaded gun within reach of children? Here's an interesting question. Can we trust the sense of responsibilitie of a parent who uses drugs? Wow, what if the drug using parent owns a loaded gun? Is a parent a criminal for having a loaded gun/bong? I don't think so. Is it the responsibility of a parent/adult to protect their children from the inherent harm that a gun/bong presents? I think it is. I would also extend that responsibility to other dangers that are introduced by a parent... ...That is a very good question, T. How would we judge and punish those who neglect their responsibilities? How would we assign degrees of punishment when considering offensive behavior or the neglect of responsibility which involves drug use? My true intension was to address the more offensive side of drug use, but I think it's good that we examine the household environment as well, and how drugs might change that environment. I think a lot has been said here about personal liberty and individual rights, but nobody is giving much thought to the dark side of drugs. I wonder, how does drug use by one family member affect the larger family? There was also mention here regarding life and risk. Yep, there's risk in life, but we shouldn't throw ourselves in harms way. That just isn't a wise choice. And we take precautions when risk is unavoidable, like <b>looking both ways before crossing a road</b>. When dope is brought into the picture, it brings with it a lot of what-ifs...a lot of risk. For the larger part, I haven't seen here an honest analysis of those risks. Also, I see here a poor regard for those risks. That bodes ill for those of you who desire legalization of your recreational drugs. That attitude will not sell your cause. Drugs are dangerous, and any denial of that fact appears to others as being, well...stupid. I have walked the path, and I know the dangers which await the less cautious. Those dangers have snatched a few of my friends along the way. Think of it, our young and <i>inquisitive and experimental</i> nature started with the lighting of a $1.00 joint. It did open more doors; however, many of those new doors proved less forgiving than that first joint. I don't want my <b>children</b> walking the same path, simply because some things are not worth the exposure or possible harm that drugs <b>may</b> cause. Does pot do the body good? I doubt that you can say yes, not without lying to yourself, that is. Does pot impair your judgement? You know it does. Is pot potentialy dangerous? I think it can be dangerous in many ways beyond the possible introduction of carcinogens. Without burning too many more pixels on your screen, let's just say that it's value to the whole of society is minimal, and the potential risks it offers outweight your need for it. This, of course, is a general view of the issue, but I think it's a fairly rational one. Anyway, this wasn't one of my typical one-liners. I was once a youngster who played dangerously, but then grew older. It's an issue with which I can relate. Since this thread is so mundane and predictable, I might need to litter the board with objective, graphic opposition to the more common consensus. We will see.
I once looked into Neurology a little bit to try and understand Neural Networking patterns for a possible direction in Artificial Intelligence. In my explorations of the texts I came across and also when briefly watching a few things appear on television I came to an understanding of what occurs within the brain while smoking canabis. When you smoke canabis, or intake THC, the chemicals cause a natural reaction and makes a preportion of your brain produce Dopamine. The brain uses Dopamine as a form of relay, the dopamine particles are sent shuttling off when a neuron is stimulated by thought and get's to it's destination a Protein receptor. The receptor is then stimulated when it catalyses what task that dopamine shuttle symbolised, and with its stimulation the dopamine is sent shuttling back to the nearest free location on a neuron nearby. In a mind with a natural level of dopamine, the amount of dopamine will allow the brain to work at a natural speed, But as the increase of dopamine occurs at first through smoking may be one canabis cigarette to then smoking regular canabis cigarettes the findings are that a person can move from: First thinking alot more, and perhaps more indepth, to becoming paranoid, irrational and eventually almost schitzofrenic, due to the increase in energy excersion from the brain through the interaction of this massive shuttle transit system being overloaded with dopamine, it also causes a withdrawn effect (tiredness) through other chemicals created by your system, since the dopamine is stimulating their creation and the feeling of the need to eat (Munchies). It can also cause lack of sleep due to the brain wanting to continue computing, so seriously large smokers of canabis should watch how much they smoke as they are brinking on an edge since they are much like an overclocked CPU (Of course your perimeters are different to a CPU as Semi-conductors aren't too likely to melt, but the boards can burn out.) As well as most canabis smokers will know Short Term memory loss occurs also, this is due to the over stimulation of the neurons causes short term information to be wiped, A bit like a convential memory of a windows system constantly writes information over itself, making it virtually impossible to read what was once there. If you want to smoke canabis, and not allow yourself to get to this state, I would suggest leaving periods of time where you don't smoke, like one weekend in a whole month. This way the increase in dopamine within your system has a chance to level back down, If you smoke once a week or more, then you are still doing it regularly which means it never has a chance to fully clear your system. The reason some people find that smoking canabis help's with their physical disabilities or ailments is due to the fact that the dopamine shuttling from neurons to protein receptors and back again, causes the stimulation of a a substantially large area of the brain including the areas that would normally be problemmatic, namely they don't have enough attractive stimuli or nearby attractive stimuli is stronger, so it causes the dopamine to miss that area. Due to the increase in dopamine, it means those areas get stimulated more often, Thus a person with arthritis can perhaps move their hands without feeling pain.
No, no, WRONG!! Not true. You are talking cocaine here, not cannabis. There is a lot of difference between the two, believe me. If you smoke marijuana or hasj, you relax more, you sleep better, not less. It can make you paranoid because of the state you are in when you smoke. If you are feeling down, you better not smoke, or just a little. Because the cannabis works on your mood. It deepens the feeling you have when you smoke. It is not good for the brain? What is good for the brain then, nowadays. Sorry, I didn't mean it like that. It is the cocaine and heroin and so on, who do the most evil things to people. And the drinking of alcohol. This one is forgotten often, but it is a hell of a drug. And addictive too, but not forbidden!! That is crazy, it is maybe more trouble then all drugs, because of the legal use and the misabuse of women and children because of the agression the alcohol puts in the brain. That, the alcohol, is a real brain killer. And the hard-drugs too, of course.......
yes yes CORRECT I'm sorry Banshee, your answer seems based on being a pot smoker, not having actually read anything about the effects of THC. I have read similar things to what Stryderunknown has mentioned here...and it was most surely about marijuana, not cocaine.
Whatever...I don't read books about it, I smoke. I guess that is my choice. Maybe quality is better in the Netherlands, it grows here and there are no poison or what so ever put in it......... No worry's there.... But I am sure you are right about what you have read about it, the THC I mean. Even I know of THC. Then, I don't smoke all day and people who do and can live with it, yes, who am I to say it is no good..... You can better not smoke all day long, but I guess most of the people who smoke, know that. I have nothing to add. I smoke. In the evening. No problem. Maybe it can become a problem, if you let it..... Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
