Can we really run car with water?

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  1. johnandrews52 Registered Member

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    Can we run our car with water and gas?
    Can anybody tell me is the HHO Gas is real working or is another scam?
     
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  3. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    It's just another scam. It's very old technology - over 50 years - and some snake oil salesman tries repackaging and selling it every 10 years or so. And then they quietly disappear.

    It's just coming on strong right now because of the high cost of oil.
     
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  5. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    A water-fuelled car is a motor car that uses water as its fuel or produces fuel from water onboard, with no other energy input. Water-fuelled cars have been mentioned in history books, newspaper and popular science magazines, and urban legends since the 1800s; these claims have been found in court to be fraudulent hoaxes.[1] [2]

    The water-fuelled car is not any of the following:

    The steam engine: A steam engine uses water to transmit energy from the fire or other heat source to the pistons or turbine that do the work of turning the engine.
    The Crower six stroke, which adds two extra strokes to the customary internal combustion engine four stroke Otto cycle, to produce and exhaust steam from water, while venting heat from the engine.
    water injection which is a method for cooling the combustion chambers of engines by adding water to the incoming fuel-air mixture, allowing for greater compression ratios and reduced engine knocking (detonation).
    The hydrogen car, although it often incorporates some of the same elements. To fuel a hydrogen car from water, energy from a power plant is used to generate hydrogen by electrolysis. The resulting hydrogen is then either burned in the car's engine or merged with oxygen to create water via a fuel cell. The car ultimately receives its energy from the power plant, with the hydrogen acting as an energy carrier.
    Hydrogen fuel enhancement systems.
    The vehicle unveiled by Japanese company Genepax in June 2008. While many news reported dubbed the vehicle a "water-fuel car",[3] it is actually powered by hydrogen generated on-board from the reaction of a metal hydride with water. Since the metal hydride is the ultimate source of the car's energy, it is not truly a water-fuelled car.[4][5]
    This article is restricted to those cars or motors which purport to extract their energy directly from water, a process which would violate the first and/or second laws of thermodynamics.[6]

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  7. ronaldcollins Registered Member

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    Water as a supplement to gasoline!

    hi there, I use water to fuel a car as a supplement to gasoline. In fact, very little water is needed, only one quart of water provides over 1800 gallons of HHO gas which can literally last for months and significantly increase your car fuel efficiently, improve emissions quality, and save money. I found the way through this site runcarsonwater.us i really recommend it to everybody, it's a nice ebook where you can find the instructions on how to do it! take a look.
     
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    Boo! Hiss!!! BAH!!!

    Either a shill for that company or a highly uneducated individual. Or, at the very least, just sadly mistaken.

    As I said earlier, HHO or "Brown's Gas" as it was called originally, is a scam for use in IC engines. It's a low-energy-density gas that takes more energy to produce than it returns when used.

    Anyone will get more for their money if they just use it to keep their engine tuned.
     
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    i am working on an engine that burns ink jet paper, and laser paper is upgrade.
     
  10. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    If I could only design an engine to run on all of the BULLSHIT that I read, I'd be the richest man on Earth!

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    Most car owners already have vehicles that will burn biogas with minimal conversion. Fuel cells (which most people don't have and can't afford) can convert it too.
     
  14. Nasor Valued Senior Member

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    Bullshit. This whole thread is a stupid attempt at scam advertising. The OP (who only has one post) joined at the same time as this douchebag (who also only have one post). Clearly the the above asshat is the same person as the OP, and is simply attempting to advertise his bullshit scam of an ebook. Notice that they even have the same poor writing skills.
     
  15. Jeff 152 Registered Senior Member

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    that honda idea is really great! I have always seen 2 falws with hydrogen. The first and most obvious--it takes more enrgy to get the hydrogen from water by electrolysis than you get out by combusting the hydrogen. That problem though, is solved easily enough by using nuclear or some form of power other than fossil fuels so that using more enrgy is not as big of a deal and the hydrogen is basically just a convenient way to store energy that is impractical or impossible in a car (i.e. nuclear, hydroelectric, solar).

    However, the big thing that has always eluded me has been the infastructure. A hydrogen car could simply never catch on because without hydrogen fueling stations everywhere it is impractical. And the stations can't be built because there aren't enough hydrogen cars to make it profitable. Its a catch 22. But that home fueling concept is great! Using natural gas or solar power to create hydogen from water at the persons house!

    Now I need to actually research the logistics of hydrogen cars, like do they have the same kind of power and acceleration as gas cars, and how far can they go on a full tank?

    The only forseeable problem is having a high pressure explosive gas tank sitting near your house--not any worse than those old propane tanks out in the countryside though i guess.
     
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    Sorry, but that's just another energy/technological looser. In the first place, it takes energy to remove the carbon from natural gas AND in getting rid of the carbon you've also wasted - BY FAR - most of the energy the natural gas originally contained.

    And solar is just as bad. It's not just a matter of putting a couple of panels on your roof. You need an electrolysis chamber, a way of drying the gas that comes out as well as neutralizing the electrolyte vapor that comes out with it. Then a high-pressure compressor and storage tank. And there's no comparison between THAT tank and a standard propane/butane tank!! The pressure would be MUCH higher in your tank, hydrogen escapes through the smallest leaks whereas LPG does not AND the tank has to be made from special alloys because hydrogen causes steel to become brittle - and that's something you don't want happening to a high-pressure storage tank.
     
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    Grid-tied solar and plug-in electric cars make more sense than hydrogen, electrolysys, etc. It's beneficial to keep the energy conversions to a minimum, and the technology is already off-the-shelf and fast improving- hub motors, smart regenerative controllers, & new-generation batteries are enabling practical plug-in electric cars that are much simpler than today's gas burners.
     
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