Can we bring people back from the dead?

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  1. Alexander1304 Registered Senior Member

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    Hello All,
    Recently I came across the writings of Paul Eno, famous paranormal researcher,about his experience of how shamans can bring "dead" from another worlds.
    Here is the link:
    http://www.newenglandghosts.com/articles/backfromthedead.html
    And here is the article:



    "Nearly four decades of "in the trenches" research has led me far away from the two-dimensional, 19th century vision that most people cling to when it comes to the paranormal. For example, I don't believe that ghosts are spirits of the dead. I don't believe in death at all.
    When I deal with the paranormal, and ghosts in particular, I experience a vast "multiverse" in which we (bodies and all) function on multiple levels in multiple, parallel lives. In my experience, ghosts are living beings functioning in close parallel worlds that are just as physical as ours. People who are "dead" here are still living and breathing "there." That's true even if "there" is a different time, a different place or a different way of life.
    This begs the question: If we can see, hear, touch, taste or feel across these "world boundaries" during paranormal experiences, can we reach in, literally grab our "departed" loved ones, and bring them back to our own conscious world?
    On two occasions in the late 1970s, when my cases were nudging me closer and closer to multiverse thinking, I encountered two shamans of two different traditions in two different parts of the world. Both said that they had known other shamans, many years before, who had literally gone into "the other world" and brought back people who had died -- bodies and all. According to these two men, who were very reluctant to talk about this, the shamans had performed these deeds against their better judgment and only after being harassed, then highly paid, by the grieving families. Allegedly, one shaman, in Australia, had brought back a young boy nearly a year after his death.
    The two men I spoke with insisted that these events involved neither reincarnation nor resurrection. The two subjects were literally dragged out of other worlds where they had never died. Fascinatingly, both men also said that the shamans who did it soon regretted it.
    The young boy who was brought back knew his parents but not some of his siblings or neighbors, I was told. According to the story, he never again "fit" into the community and ended up insane. The other returner, a dead man in his 20s, the father of a family, seemed confused and frightened, then tried to fit in, later running off into the forest, never to return. The man who told me this story, a boy at the time of the incident, actually claimed to have seen this returner.
    Granted, these are stories I heard second-hand nearly 30 years ago. Granted, shamans aren't necessarily more honest than other people. Granted, their stories, as with those in any religion, gather "baggage" over the years. But the very nature of these tales, as told to me, bespoke not campfire stories but solid and recent memories. And they clearly communicated the message that there are some multiverse realities that are so for a reason, and that we shouldn't "mess" with them.
    Given what appears to be the nature of the multiverse, there is no reason whatsoever to believe that "returns" such as these are impossible. People disappear into thin air relatively often, sometimes in front of witnesses. Where -- or when -- do they go? All those "spirit guides" or guardians we hear tell of and sometimes feel ourselves -- could some of them be shamans from parallel worlds, trying to reach us?
    Similarly, mysterious people appear out of thin air from time to time, not knowing where they are. On a few occasions, they have carried passports and money from countries that never existed, spoken no known language and/or worn clothes of no known fabric.
    In the multiverse, all possibilities exist. ALL possibilities. Maybe we should stop asking "why?" and start saying "why not?" "

    What do you guys think of the above?
    Is it something serious?
     
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  3. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    I think it is delusional crap and no, of course it's not serious.

    I think perhaps my favourite line is: "shamans aren't necessarily more honest than other people".

    That is a priceless example of litotes, whether intentionally or not.
     
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    It might be possible in the future, but you have to make a copy of them first.
     
  8. Alexander1304 Registered Senior Member

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    What about the last paragraph:
    "Similarly, mysterious people appear out of thin air from time to time, not knowing where they are. On a few occasions, they have carried passports and money from countries that never existed, spoken no known language and/or worn clothes of no known fabric"

    Are these cases for real? I've never seen it in scientific periodicals, and I read a lot of them
     
  9. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    Yep, this happens all the time.
    This also is a quite common occurrence.
    They must be real it was on the internet for crying out loud!!
    Hmmmm. Well maybe your are just reading the wrong journals.
    Have you tried the Journal For People Who Will Believe Any Dumbass Thing They Are Told?
     
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    I appreciate Your humor

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  11. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    Good, it was not meant to be antagonistic.
     
  12. Alexander1304 Registered Senior Member

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    But when You told that "this happens all the time" and "it is common occurrence",you were kidding, right?

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  13. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, it is all false. If someone appeared with official documents and money from nonexistent places and was wearing an unknown fabric (whatever that means) - we all would know about it and it would not only be located on some goofy woo-woo internet site.
     
  14. Alexander1304 Registered Senior Member

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    Thank You
     
  15. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    No problem.
     
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  17. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    Magical Realist has a lifetime subscription to that particular journal.
     
  18. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Reported for trolling..
     
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    If the shoe fits, wear it.
     
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  20. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I already know you support trolling. You don't have to prove it to me.
     
  21. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    That's quite an accusation... though, as usual, you are incapable of substantiating it.

    Honestly, at this point, your mantra seems to be

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  22. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    You've demonstrated time and time again that you're eager and ready to believe anything you see about ghosts, bigfoot, flying saucers and who knows what else - whilst completely ignoring any and every rational explanation put to you, claiming anything that doesn't buy into that BS is a conspiracy or some other such rubbish.
     
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    You've proven time and time again that you have no explanation for this phenomena other than some conspiracy theory of well orchestrated hoaxes expertly pulled off by bigfoot hunters, ufologists, and ghost hunters all over the world. When asked for evidence of this mass deception, you offer nothing. As if making up a claim is the same as presenting a substantiated explanation. It isn't. It's bullshit.
     
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