Can former atheists explain what atheism is?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Jan Ardena, Mar 22, 2019.

  1. BlueSky Registered Senior Member

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    Generally I agree with what your have said here, your basically describing general revelation. Your reasoning is good and it lines up with the Bible. However, I suspect you think other religions teach the same thing, they don’t. The God of the Bible is unique when fully studied. He goes far deeper than general revelation, we can know allot bout Him.

    Sort of agree. We are not a part of god, but Gods creation. I guess in a way tho we are part of him. Totally agree about the spiritual component. Built into the cake so to speak.


    Again, generally agree. So does the Bible.

    Show me one other world religion that teaches the Gospels message and that it’s the ONLY way to Heaven, then you have my ears. Do you know what the Gospel message is as taught in the HB?

    Oh I am, no worries there. I do know who He is and essentially what He is, but let’s start at the core message. Show me that message somewhere else and I will agree you. ( I will save you some trouble tho, no other religion teaches what the Bible does with regards as to the only way to Salvation. Others teach salvation, but not as the HBible does.

    I am, I just do it differently than some.
     
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  3. BlueSky Registered Senior Member

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    Why couldn’t the Bible contain enough for us? Why evoke more, when it’s all there ? It makes much sense. “Here’s the message, now live.”

    Well, it depends on what the true God wants. If the real God says I want/need X and not Q,R,T, then that’s it.

    Whatever the one true God says must be truth? It’s not limiting God, it what He told us.
     
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  5. BlueSky Registered Senior Member

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    But with all that, the worlds relgions are very similar. Some very similar with good reason. That’s a ‘tell’ that they could have had a common ancestor/background. Adam started the race and saw God , so it’s logical that a religious tone would follow mankind. It gets twisted by various cultures and areas, but at the core it’s there.
     
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  7. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Because it's not "all there." The Bible is great for what it is; a history of a religious people. It is not a science book, or a math book, or a history book, or an instruction book, or a law book.
    Depending on which He you are referring to.
     
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  8. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    That's the tail wagging the dog.
     
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  9. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    BlueSky

    I am going to respond to all your posts, but before I do. Can you explain what you think the point, and the purpose of religion is.

    Jan.
     
  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    God is the ultimate Alpha figure. Deeply rooted into our hierarchical communal thought and structure.
     
  11. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    He's the ultimate figment of our imagination. A lot of the OT is the Hebrews telling people "My God can whip your God!" People who still buy into that aren't much removed from the folks who sat around camel dung campfires and bought the made-up shit and lies the old guys repeated.
     
  12. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Barbecued ox for the shamans.
     
  13. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly. Our brains are similar, and they want to believe in similar ways. Thus the very many versions of God we have created that all share similar characteristics.
     
  14. BlueSky Registered Senior Member

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    Well I consider it all these things and more. Rudimentary agree, say in the science department or math department, but accurate nonetheless. Excellent history book and contains every principle for living. I know many won’t agree tho.

    Indeed.
     
  15. BlueSky Registered Senior Member

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    Not really, just another way of approaching what we see. If realty unfolded as Genesis describes, then we would expect to see what we do actually see.
     
  16. BlueSky Registered Senior Member

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    Well, firstly, God does not like man-made religion, he’s looking for a relationship of the heart not lip service. But if you want to call all religions, man’s attempts to reach, see, talk, please God then I would say your close.
     
  17. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    So you'd expect to see plants growing without sunlight? I wouldn't.
     
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  18. BlueSky Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, that’s one way to see it, there is another. Our commonalities religions wise, globally and throughout history, show that man yearns for more than the mere natural. The similarities could also show common decent of “knowledge of God”, albeit much is lost and drift occurs over the centuries.
     
  19. BlueSky Registered Senior Member

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    Unless god himself sustained them. The supernatural cannot be ignored within the paradigm. It’s part and parcel.
     
  20. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    So your statement that, "we would expect to see what we do actually see," is meaningless. The supernatural meddling would make all of our observations useless.
     
  21. BlueSky Registered Senior Member

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    Agree, question is why? Based on reality or based purely in the minds of men? This God complex of humanity is quite strong and prevalent from our earliest records, why? I think because he’s actually there calling all men from all times but that me.
     
  22. BlueSky Registered Senior Member

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    Not necessarily. But I hear what your saying. Always keeping an eye for the super in amongst the natural, ( as long as your know it’s possible ) makes for an interesting life.
     
  23. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    I think reality is interesting enough. Using "God did it" as an answer for everything is boring.
     
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