Calling all keyboard protestors, ranter and ravers

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  1. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    Whats up with Montana ? The whole state is an occupation or something or is that because Mekigal is already Occupying the whole state. I don't get it except Maybe I am God . That is what it tells Me . God Fuck Me anyway ! That is strange . Is that Typo ? Occupy Montana in Montana . Shit am I missing something ?
     
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  3. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know, you tell me what is going on in Montana. Its occupy montana, by the way if you go to the site and click on the state it will tell you what's going on there.
     
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  5. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    You can help boycott Coke...by selling short on their shares and Max Keiser is leading the way. Payback is a bitch!:

    An anti-capitalist former stockbroker and the son of Sir James Goldsmith have launched an audacious attempt to halve the value of Coca-Cola's shares.

    The radical activist Max Keiser has joined forces with the editor of the Ecologist magazine, Zak Goldsmith, to launch a hedge fund that will donate the profits from short-sales in Coke's stock to the "victims of Coke's business model in places like India and Colombia".

    The idea is that as a boycott spreads the money in the fund will increase as shares in the company drop.

    Mr Keiser, founder of activist website Karmabanque.com, believes the stunt will reduce Coca-Cola shares from their current value of $41 (£22) to $22 (£11). The campaign says it will "commit to as much money as it takes to take down Coke", but Mr Keiser refused to say whether the son of the late billionaire had invested any money of his own in the project.

    He said Mr Goldsmith's role in the campaign was to promote it in his magazine. Mr Goldsmith was unavailable for comment.

    Last night Mr Keiser said the hedge fund already had "several hundred thousand dollars" in it despite not yet being listed, and he was approaching several big banking figures, including George Soros, to increase the value.

    The high-risk strategy would see the hedge fund borrow shares in Coke from a broker and sell them at less than their market value, gambling on them dropping in value thanks to the boycott. It would then buy them back at less than it sold them for and pocket the difference before handing them back to the broker. But if the value of the stock goes up, the hedge fund will lose money.

    Any profit made would be ploughed into supporting communities around the world that investors felt had suffered at the hands of Coca-Cola.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2004/nov/25/2
     
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  7. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    This seems oddly appropriate.


    If they want to shoot me down in flames, well they better be set to stun,
    Well, I can see the whites of their eyes, ... And the end of his nose
    An exercise in pinnochio lies, and that's the way it goes, yeah,
    Kill the fat controller, pray to a new god,
    Kill the fat controller, I need a new drug
    Headless Chickens, Choppers

    Heh, and this:
    It would seem that your no good at deceit
    It would appear that you lie and you cheat
    want to shriek to the beings in the corner
    want to howl coz It feels like torture

    Spare me your weak apologies
    I dont care for the way they make me bleed
    can't find a reason and you won't explain
    you'll be sorry If It happens again

    Headless Chickens, George
     
  8. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Nah, it would appear that the Liberal Left are finally sick of Obama and don't really know what to do about it but sit around and sing KumbyeYa near Wall Street.

    But Van Jones thinks he can turn this group into the Liberal version of the Tea Party. (Remembr he was the guy who was kicked out of the Obama Administration because he foolishly signed a petititon saying that the Bush Admin had deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen)

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/van-jones-liberals-put-too-much-hope-obama-195829297.html
     
  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Good to see the movement going viral

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    All the best@@!
     
  10. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    And here is their manifesto. (And my comments)

    They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage. <== There is nothing illegal about being foreclosed on if you don't pay your mortgages.

    They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses. <== Except for the most part they have paid back those Bailouts, with interest.

    Citi Bank paid off $57 billion which produced a $12 billion profit.
    AIG got $180 Billion but has paid back all loans. Treasury still owns 1.66 billion shares that it got for just under $30 apiece but they are now selling for $41, or an $18 Billion profit. The Treasury will unload them over time to avoid driving the price down.
    Treasury Department gave GM $49.5 billion in loans in return for $6.7 billion in debt in the new GM and $2.1 billion in preferred stock and a 60.8 percent common equity stake. After GMs IPO the treasury sold a portion of its ownership stake for $13.5 billion. GM paid back the $6.7 billion in debt in the new company as well as the $2.1 billion in preferred stock. GM is selling for ~$22 and the Treasury will break even when it gets to around $30.
    Treasury committed a total of $12.5 billion in TARP funds to Chrysler. So far, Chrysler has paid back $10.6 billion and the Treasury Department holds a 6.6 percent common equity stake in Chrysler.
    J.P. Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, U.S. Bancorp, BB&T Corp., American Express Co.,Capital One Financial Corp.,Bank of New York Mellon Corp., State Street Corp. and Northern Trust Corp. paid back their $68 Billion in 09.

    In fact, as of July most of the big banks have repaid the government funds they received under the Capital Purchase Program (CPP) such that combined with dividends and sales of warrants the Treasury earned a profit on the CPP of ~$10 billion,and there is still more to be repaid.


    They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation. <== Really? The president is black, he defeated a woman to run for President and one of the most powerful congressman is openly gay.


    They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization. <== Really, POISONED the food supply? I wonder how it is that we keep living longer each year?


    They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices. <== Really, that's why you are sitting in front of Wall Street, because there are slaughter houses for those of us who don't have a problem with eating meat?

    They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions. <== We have unsafe working conditions and bad pay? http://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/osh/os/osch0042.pdf

    They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right. <== Oh BS, a college education is NOT a "human right", these losers just don't want to pay back their student loans which they took out to fund their education because a collage degree does pay for itself.

    They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay. <== circular logic. They can only outsource to places with lower pay and benefits.


    They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility. <== What does that even mean?

    They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance. <== Not sure what the issue is since hiring lawyers isn't wrong?

    They have sold our privacy as a commodity. <== Huh?

    They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press. They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit. <== WHERE, WHEN?

    They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce. <== 90% of people are employed. Normally that's been around 94% but 4% excess unemployment is hardly a catastrophic failure.

    They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them. <== Yeah, so what is the actual issue, you want to stop Corporate donations to political parties? No problem.

    They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil. <== Really, you mean the companies that are huge in Wind and Solar and Bio are doing this? Or that the 2c per kWh subsidy our government gives to alternate energy is not enough, or the 30% tax credit for businesses and homeowners to install alternate energy is not enough, or the $7,500 per EV is not enough, or the billions spent each year by the DOE on alternate energy is not enough, or the massive subsidies to Bioethanol such that virtually 10% of all our gasoline today is now made from Corn is not enough? Total BS. No one is blocking any alternate energy or trying to keep us dependent on oil, indeed just the opposite is going on.

    They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit. <== What?


    They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit. <== You can't hide these things and what is BS about inactive ingredients?

    They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media. <== Really? Now you want the Govt to control the media and determine what they publish to make sure its accurate? Probably the funniest statment that they made.

    They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt. <== Murder prisoners?, I presume this means they are against the Death Penalty

    They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas. <== Colonialism at home? is that like Neighborhood Nuclear Superiority?

    They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts. * <== LOL

    Love the platform, put together by a bunch of morons who believe the conspiracy BS they find on the internet. No wonder Van Jones (911Truth) believes in you.

    For once Lucy was right, a bunch of keyboard protestors, ranter and ravers


    Arthur
     
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  11. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Ha! Adoucette you are a poor fool really you are. I feel sorry for you actually.

    You can rant and rave all you like.

    I feel sorry for you because you are so grossly uninformed and ignorant of historic and current events:


    In one Massachusetts county, for example, the signature of "Linda Green" has recently appeared on some 1,300 foreclosures. Curiously, her signature was written in many different styles, and she had many different titles. Also, there's no Linda Green presently working in the mortgage banking company involved. Meanwhile, state officials say that robo-signing is, once again, "an epidemic" all across the country.

    It's a federal crime to do this, yet no bank or banker has even been charged. Until we put a CEO in jail, the banking barons will never learn their lesson.

    https://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/08/15-6

    And that's in just one state. There was more like that which is why this one congresswoman told her constituency not to leave their homes stated:

    Fron CNN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6uNSDz876s

    Congressman from Florida says foreclosure fraud is rampant, foreclosing on homes they don't even own: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIbgAEUG4DM&feature=related

    I would give you more examples but I don't think I should be responsible for your lack of research skill. You know what I love about your entry into this thread? Its how much you actually HATE the fact that ordinary americans are beginning to wake up to a corrupt system, the fact that they are beginning to fight back. Chew on your tongue Adoucette, cause I'm lovin it!

    We're out in the streets right now so got to go. Ha!

    City Hall we're at your doorsteps!
     
  12. Varda The Bug Lady Valued Senior Member

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    Somebody from outside of the US listening to our little arthur talk would probably think that it's all nice and good over here.
    But then, of course anybody living in some sort of bubble of stability and turning his eyes away from the endemic deterioration of living in America may actually believe that.

    cause he gets up in the morning,
    And he goes to work at nine,
    And he comes back home at five-thirty...

    Little Arthur would rather think that the establishment will take care of him. He has no reason to doubt that. He works a 40h week, has a decent salary, insurance, paid vacation time.

    He seems to ignore the fact that every single one of these things that make life livable, from reasonable work conditions, to education, to the right to be safe at home and speak his petulant mind, was conquered by the struggle of the mass.

    The establishment, the 1%, the owners of all the wealth, they don't give a shit about you Arthur. They only gave you what you have because people were willing to sleep in jail and get beat up by the cops for your sake.

    But you don't have to think about it. You can go on thinking it's all so good, it's all so fine...
    The 99% will continue to fight for you.
     
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  13. The Esotericist Getting the message to Garcia Valued Senior Member

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    I pulled this off of FB, so I have no way to verify if the photo is actually an aerial of the occupy wall street movement.

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  14. The Esotericist Getting the message to Garcia Valued Senior Member

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  15. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    No, I'm quite aware of the issues involved.

    BUT

    If you don't pay your mortgage then the bank has a right to foreclose on you.

    Do you deny this?

    Do you think that the issue of the signing of the papers TRUMPS the fact that you haven't paid your mortgage?

    (and Linda Green DID work in the Mortgage processing business (DocX) and using automated signers is indeed, perfectly legal)

    Of course it doesn't.

    So yes, the people are using the fact that the laws were written before the practice of mortgages being sold and resold many times made compliance with the letter of the law difficult in many cases to DELAY the foreclosure, but that doesn't mean that the foreclosures aren't valid (and won't happen anyway) because the people indeed did default on their loans.

    Pretty pathetic Lucy.
    These people have defaulted on their loans and because of issues with paperwork in the Mortgage department you want to put the CEO of the bank in jail?

    Well let's just extend that logic shall we.
    The next time a Boeing jet crashes and it has anything to do with the design of the jet, let's try the CEO for murder.

    Sound about right?

    Arthur
     
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  16. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Ah, 99% aren't out there fighting for this.

    When you get 1% of NYC residents involved, then you would have close to 90,000 people.

    You were the one suckered into posting a FAKE picture that tried to dramatically exaggerate the number of people involved in this.

    I listed their complaints and my comments on them.

    Which do you agree with and what do you think should be the answer?

    Because in reality they have very little to do with what you are claiming they are about.
     
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  17. Varda The Bug Lady Valued Senior Member

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    Are you playing dumb?
    "The 99%" means all of us who aren't millionaires. It doesn't mean that 99% of the population is in NYC right now.
    Rephrasing for retards: The representatives of the working class will continue to fight for you.

    I didn't post any pictures in this thread.

    I am not going to get sucked into another discussion with you. You are delusional and a troll, and I have better use for my time.
     
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  19. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    No Varda, I said 1% of the people in NYC would be 90,000 people.

    So clearly it's not me who is the retard.

    Then use your time to become a millionaire.

    Which by the way is quite a bit more than 1% of the adults in the US (~225 million > 19 years old).

    Indeed, there are ~8 million millionaires in the US and that's if you don't include the value of their primary residence (include that and there are FAR more millionaires)

    But surveys of the number of Millionaires is by HOUSEHOLD, and there are ~130 million households and ~ 8 million of those households have a net worth of over $1 million, or ~6% of the households.

    So clearly you are VASTLY understating the amount of well off households in the US (why would you do that Varda?)

    But then you don't have to be a Millionaire to be affluent now do you?

    Indeed, 25% of the households had incomes of over $77,000.

    So this BS about the 99% is just that, BS (and a piss poor attempt at class warfare)

    Arthur

    http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/09/number-of-us-millionaires_n_491942.html
    http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/population.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affluence_in_the_United_States
     
  20. Varda The Bug Lady Valued Senior Member

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    Our little arthur is in the mood to play dumb today.

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    [/quote]

    Let's get petty with the numbers.

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    Table 1: Distribution of net worth and financial wealth in the United States, 1983-2007
     	Total Net Worth
               Top 1 percentNext 19 percent	Bottom 80 percent
    1983	        33.8%	         47.5%	               18.7%
    1989	        37.4%	         46.2%	               16.5%
    1992	        37.2%	         46.6%	               16.2%
    1995	        38.5%	         45.4%	               16.1%
    1998	        38.1%	         45.3%	               16.6%
    2001	        33.4%	         51.0%	               15.6%
    2004	        34.3%	         50.3%	               15.3%
    2007	        34.6%	         50.5%	               15.0%
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     	Financial Wealth
              Top 1 percent 	Next 19 percent	Bottom 80 percent
    1983	        42.9%	       48.4%	        8.7%
    1989	        46.9%	       46.5%	        6.6%
    1992	        45.6%	       46.7%	        7.7%
    1995	        47.2%	       45.9%	        7.0%
    1998	        47.3%	       43.6%	        9.1%
    2001	        39.7%	       51.5%	        8.7%
    2004	        42.2%	       50.3%	        7.5%
    2007	        42.7%	       50.3%	        7.0%
    Much more here: http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

    So what Arthur is trying to say here, and I'll give him a hand, is that jeez! There is a LOT of really lazy people in this country! Why don't they just go out there and get rich?
    ~248000000 lazy bastards! Why do they want me to pay fair taxes on the money I make with my wealth that I put so much effort into inheriting from my oligarchy? Why do they want to hold me accountable when they are the ones dumb enough to fall into my scam?
     
  21. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Nope.

    First of all I provided sources for all my numbers.

    Do you disagree that 25% of all households make over $77,000 per year?

    And no, there aren't 248,000,000 lazy bastards.

    Indeed, a LOT of people who decided to not finish HS or only finish HS indeed DO work hard, but don't make much money (~30 million), because we don't pay based on how HARD you work, but what your work is WORTH.

    Indeed I find this chart to be interesting:

    Which has average salary by education level for those 25 years or older

    High School 31,610

    Some College 37,150

    Bachelor's Degree 50,959

    Master's Degree 61,324

    Doctorate Degree 79,292

    So this tracks well with how many households make over $77,000.

    The POINT is, this country is filled with opportunity and to say you can't live well here by working hard in school and learning a skill is simply false.

    Arthur

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affluence_in_the_United_States
     
  22. The Esotericist Getting the message to Garcia Valued Senior Member

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    I posted the pics because when I ran across the photo, I was suspicious of it and it's origin. I wanted to see if anybody else had info on it, and I found out about it myself. In an attempt to warn others away from it, I posted info about it. Nobody was, "suckered" in by it.

    Now, apparently some people have no idea what the "1%" is and feel a need to define it themselves. Thank you for the numbers Varda. Somehow numbers don't quite do justice to the concept though. The one percent are too busy to even participate on discussion boards like this, they have better things to do. A millionaire? A multimillionaire? These people are in poverty compared to the one percent.

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    They have no way to influence the inner-workings and machinations of how the system works. It is the one percent that control things.

    The following documentary by is a very enlightening, and an insightful look at what life in the one percent is like. It is part one of eight on Youtube. You can also find it on Netflix.
    The One Percent 1/8

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_One_Percent

     
  23. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, but the fallacy is that because of the wealth of that 1% the rest of us are suffering, and with 25% of our households making over $77,000 that simply isn't the case.

    There is suffering from unemployment, but unemployment isn't caused by that 1%.
     

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