Bush's first year in office...

Discussion in 'World Events' started by wet1, Feb 2, 2002.

  1. Brad Rules Registered Senior Member

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    Banshee,

    Thanks for that list. Now I know why I voted for Bush,

    If I was president I would abolish welfare on the first day.
    I would abolish the NEA on the second day.
    I would abolish the ATF on the third day.
    I would BAN all nontaxpaying citizens from the vote on the fourth day.
    I would abolish the DEA on the fifth day.
    I would remove all enviromental regulations based on fruitcake global warming theories on the sixth day.
    On the seventh day I would rest.

    Liberal = lazy = stupid = net liability to society
    Conservative = hardwarking = intelligent = massive net asset to society

    Without conservatives the America economy would crumble. Without liberals, all Americans would be millionaires.

    Bush is smart enough to keep his pecker in his pants instead of his interns. Bill Clinton wasn't.
     
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  3. Deus Seeker of Truth Registered Senior Member

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    I am impressed by your display of logic. I shall at once cease my liberal ways and then proceed to drop dead.

    Or perhaps not. Care to back up any of your broad generalizations and ideas with facts or logic?
     
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  5. Brad Rules Registered Senior Member

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    Why would I do that? It is common knowledge that liberals are impervious to reason and logic. The best argument that I can make to a liberal it that is for the children. I voted for Bush for the children. I am sure that is powerful argument to a liberal like you.
     
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  7. goofyfish Analog By Birth, Digital By Design Valued Senior Member

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    If you take a moment to review Brad's posting history, you will find there is never a supporting reference for his view. It is not worth your effort to even get involved in a "conversation" with him.

    [Mr. Rogers voice]
    Can you say troll? I knew you could.
    [/Mr. Rogers voice]

    Peace.
     
  8. thecurly1 Registered Senior Member

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    FOREIGN POLICY TIGHTROPE WALKING MASTER, AND PRESIDENT OF A NATION AT WAR.

    Domestic policy hasn't been stellar but the ecnomy is getting better for now. Though odds are it will slide into recession within a few years anyway.
     
  9. Captain Canada Stranger in Town Registered Senior Member

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    What do I think of Bush's first year?

    Oh dear...

    Article can be read here


    American democracy: R.I.P
    The emergence of the Fascist American Theocratic State
    By John Stanton and Wayne Madsen
    Online Journal Contributing Writers


    February 17, 2002—Historians will record that between November 2000 and February 2002, democracy—as envisioned by the creators of the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution—effectively came to an end.

    As democracy died, the Fascist American Theocratic State ["The State"] was born. This new fascist era was designed and implemented primarily by Republican organizations and individuals who funded, supported and ultimately inserted George Bush II in office. Equally complicit in this atrocity was the Democratic Party, itself having become corrupt and beholden to its own interests. But the greatest tragedy in this horrific turn of events was that the public and media embraced fascism's coming. It should be noted that the Green Party's valiant efforts were too little, too late.

    Three events accelerated the demise of American Democracy. The Election of 2000 (the American version of a coup), the 911 attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon primarily by terrorists from Saudi Arabia (a vaunted but corrupt U.S. "ally" that funded both the terrorist Al Qaeda network and the Taliban) and the US response to it, and the spate of corporate bankruptcies, most notably Enron, which provided clear evidence—to those who dared look at it—that the American democratic process was a sham.

    The Bush administration, composed of a number of former Enron officials in its upper ranks, could only describe the worst financial collapse in the world's history as a "tragedy" as if it were akin to a hurricane or earthquake and not man-made.

    The administration then proceeded to convince a nation of lemmings that Enron was not a political scandal but merely an unfortunate mistake that must not be repeated. However, other Enron-like collapses began being reported with similar disastrous consequences for pensioners and workers. Indeed, a long train of abuses and usurpations took place at a frightening pace in that short 15-month period.

    Prior to 911, proponents of the The State were busy dismantling tried and tested treaties and agreements, such as the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, painstakingly hammered out by President Richard Nixon and Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev—and panning others such as the Kyoto Agreement on the environment and the Oslo Accord on Israeli-Palestinian peace.

    It's worth noting that the US was voted off the UN Human Rights Commission during that timeframe and, in spite of that, appointed three suspected human rights violators (John Negroponte, Otto Reich, and Elliott Abrams) to positions of high office within the US Department of State and National Security Council.

    Post-911 saw suspension of US constitutional and international law and modifications to suit the needs of The State. Soon thereafter, an inaptly named USA PATRIOT Act and the establishment of US Military Tribunals would be enacted in the same lightning fashion as when Adolph Hitler scrapped the German Constitution in the wake of the 1933 Reichstag fire.

    Pentagon spokesman began looking beyond 911. They branded "activists, anarchists, and opportunists" as the terrorists of tomorrow. In fact, the FBI began scanning the Internet for web sites that contained what The State considered seditious and unpatriotic content and, in a few cases, began shutting them down in a sort of cyberspace version of Nazi book burning.

    With the apprehension of John Walker Lindh in northern Afghanistan, Americans were inundated with the misdeeds of the "American Taliban," the Traitor. Not since the witch hunting days of Joe McCarthy and the execution of the Rosenbergs had the country been swept up in a tempest of quick accusations of traitorous activities. Off the Orwellian telescreens run by the three cable news networks was any mention of the close contacts between American oil companies, like UNOCAL, and the Taliban, and the fact that the firm, unlike Lindh, made cash payments to the regime in return for the much-sought-after trans-Afghan oil and natural gas pipeline. This was done with the active encouragement of key members of both the Clinton and Bush II administrations.

    U.S. laws prohibiting such influence peddling, like the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, were overlooked. This hypocrisy and the overarching influence of oil over The State's foreign policy is described in a new book by ex-CIA agent Robert Baer, a veteran covert operator in the Islamic world. He states that he found "that the tentacles of big oil stretch from the Caspian Sea to the White House."

    Big Oil would convince the Bush administration to turn an ill-advised and ineffective counter-drug war in Colombia into a counter-insurgency operation aimed at protecting the pipelines of US oil companies. Bypassed was a congressional law limiting the number of US private military personnel in Colombia to five hundred.

    Bush announced that he wanted as many military privateers as it took to "stabilize" the entire Andean region. Meanwhile, Bush's CIA shock troops began destabilizing the government of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who began to appear as a candidate for the "Axis of Evil" for his independent views of US foreign policy.

    With the statement, "You're with us or against us," The State signaled to its long term allies that it reserved the right to establish a new world order based on the great Western Way. Dictatorships and totalitarian regimes were now praised by government officials as freedom loving nations.

    Military dictators became heroes. George Bush II used the opening of the Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City to push American nationalism and his stone-faced grimace directed at the passing of the team from Iran—one of Bush's "Axis of Evil" nations—evoked memories of that other nationalist-based Olympic opening ceremony, that in Berlin in the Summer of 1936, a ceremony that saw Hitler making snide remarks to his Reich lieutenants on the presence of African-American sprinter Jesse Owens on the American team. Under the guise of a war that would never end, The State became brazen in its mission.

    On the domestic front, clear distinctions between the government and the corporation, and the government and the military evaporated. Government propagandists, formerly corporate propagandists, proclaimed that The State would be an easy brand to sell to the people.

    In fact, the State Department appointed a Madison Avenue advertising executive as head of its International Public Diplomacy Bureau to pitch "America" abroad as if it was a brand of running shoe, detergent, or deodorant.

    Meanwhile, The State gave carte blanche authority to the CIA to assassinate foreign leaders—an edict that abrogated President Gerald Ford's 1976 Executive Order banning such murders. Responding to the policies of The State, senior military officers began questioning why right-wing Bush political appointees in the Defense Department scrapped the concepts of US military/international coalition peacekeeping and humanitarian operations in favor of "stability operations" and "unilateralism."

    The defense budget ballooned to $400 billion while the wealthiest individuals and organizations received tax reductions and bailouts from the government. Those same recipients would fire close to a million people and rape their pension plans, conveniently forcing them back into the workplace.

    The State raided the Social Security and Medicare accounts to transfer billions of dollars to defense contractors and out of the pockets of senior citizens who were promised assistance with prescription drugs by a now utterly exposed ruse—a "Compassionate Conservative Bush administration."

    In a country gone mad, cattle and crops would be designated matters of "national security" as an un-elected occupant of the White House ineloquently declared, "the nation has to eat." Meanwhile, The State's media machine would equate the speeches of George Bush II, an individual who relies on cue cards with a short list of antonym pairs like "good man" and "evil doer," to those of Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln.

    Government officials would proclaim on many occasions that any dissent to and from the government's initiatives would be branded as unpatriotic and terrorist. In that environment thousands of Americans and those of color were pilloried by the government and their fellow citizens for questioning The State's actions. Demonstrators who opposed the corporate power grab in a world that ignored labor and social protections were described as commercial and economic terrorists.

    The White House Press Secretary urged Americans to watch what they say and do in response to barbs by a television comedian. What would come next, the creation of an American Stasi? Just so. The State initiated the Citizen Corps, in which local residents were encouraged to form their own councils to, among other things, report suspicious activity and gather intelligence, thus cementing the people's support for The State.

    The State acted swiftly to reprogram American culture. Artwork antithetical to officials in the Department of Justice was hidden from public view by an Attorney General who opposes the same cultural and social pastimes—dance, drinking of alcohol, and viewing of sculptures—that once subjected an Afghan to death by an edict of the Taliban.

    Flag burning prohibitions were introduced into law. God, whose name was placed on US currency and inserted into the Pledge of Allegiance in the 1950s, became indistinguishable from The State. The State's sanctioned religion was literal biblical paternalism, militant in its own way. In this environment it was no surprise that women, once again, lost dominion over themselves and their wombs as the state proclaimed the unborn, born, and subject to The State.

    Practitioners of The State argued that freedom was to be defined as the ability to wealth maximize. In this form of raw materialism, "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness . . ."—those transcendent concepts debated so heartily and openly by the authors of the US Constitution—became desiccated commodities.

    The State melded God and Country and Business into one credo. With the Supreme Court firmly with The State—having sanctioned the accession to power of a president lacking a plurality in either the contested state of Florida or the United States—it, along with an Executive beholden to religious zealots, planned to strike down other laws, including a woman's right to choose, over the long term. But 911 appeared. The Federal courts saw their power to sanction government break ins of homes and offices, wiretap telephones and e-mail, and bug premises usurped by a law enforcement and intelligence establishment that instead of being forced to answer for their lack of knowledge about the events of 911, was showered with billions of dollars and new unsupervised powers.

    Viewed within the acid bath of wealth maximization, 911 became an unexpected bonus for The State in its mission to build the fascist and theocratic underpinnings of its government. With a frightened Congress, receptive corporate media, and a largely uneducated and nervous public, The State brilliantly orchestrated the destruction of the open society.

    Prior to 911, The State knew, with the exception of a pitiful few, that Congress could be bought. But it viewed the media and public as holdouts and feared rebellion on editorial pages and at the voting booth. But in the aftermath of 911, with the media now indistinguishable from the "war effort" and the public instructed to fly and buy for patriotism, The State achieved in a mere 15 months, the utter decimation of American democracy.


    John Stanton is a Virginia-based writer on national security affairs and Wayne Madsen is a Washington, DC-based investigative journalist who writes and comments frequently on civil liberties and human rights issues.
     
  10. Brad Rules Registered Senior Member

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    That is isn't exactly true. Our government has long since quit behaving as the framers intended.

    1] They never envisioned that non-white people would be viewed as humans with consitutional protections.

    2] They never envisioned that women would be given the right to vote.

    3] They never envisioned a national income tax.

    4] They never envisioned social security.

    The fact of the matter is that their world was so vastly different than ours that it is impossible to know or care what they would think of our current system. They lived in third world conditions where life was hard even for the rich and powerful. They never envisioned a society as rich and technologically advanced as ours.

    People who make grandiose statemente like the quote above should be horsewhipped for stupidity. Anybody who claims to know what a bunch of slave-owning rich people who died hundreds of years ago would have thought of our society is an idiot.
     
  11. goofyfish Analog By Birth, Digital By Design Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, our system of government could be dying. Who can say with certainty? Over two hundred years. That's an awful long time for a government to endure, historically speaking. Two hundred years for excess laws to accumulate to the point that nobody could read them all in a human lifetime. Two hundred years for the political class to learn how to game the system. Two hundred years of gradually accreting corruption.

    Read Roman history of the late Republic and the emergence of the Emperors; it’s actually kind of creepy. Basically, here's how it goes:
    • You start with a representative democracy governing a rather poor, largely agricultural economy with the vast majority of the population farming.
    • Then you urbanize, which differentiates the economy and creates the labor pool for industrialization.
    • Industrialization creates new wealth that enables an increase in the cost of food, which encourages the emergence of technology to improve the productivity of farming.
    • By good luck and determination the country comes out ahead in a number of international conflicts.
    • That accelerates urbanization and the consolidation of farmland into larger units of production that can finance the equipment needed to farm efficiently.
    • Industrialization both accelerates urbanization and encourages immigration.
    • While the overall well being of the individual improves continuously the rate at which this happens is far slower than the growth of the economy, thus concentration of wealth occurs.
    • As time goes on a larger and larger fraction of the population becomes economically irrelevant to the financing of the government's operations. This does not, however, signal the end of these voters' political clout.
    • Since representative democracy's forms remain, the politics of buying votes becomes quite sophisticated. While many politicians buy votes by redistributing wealth, the wealthy quickly discover that it is far less expensive to buy representatives than buy voter.
    • The legislative branch spends most of its time passing ever more complex laws to protect the interests of the people who finance the legislators.
    • The economy becomes transnational, increasing demands for transnational control in order to insure the smooth operation of the economy.
    • The legislature becomes terminally corrupt and unable to agree on an executive.
    • Populist leaders emerge and inevitably come to bad ends.
    • Eventually leaders who are both populist and militarily adept emerge.
    • An imperial executive takes shape, while the powers of the legislative branch becomes irrelevant.
    Déjà vu?


    Peace.
     
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  12. thecurly1 Registered Senior Member

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    If democracy was dead we'd know.

    Bush would have hung all Sen. Daschle, and the democrats, and changed the Supreme Court already.

    If democracy was dead there would have been violent clashes between the Bush voters and the Gore voters, resulting in a gurrelia warefare situation in the streets of Washington D.C. The constitution worked, either way you want to split it.

    We almost had a revolution in 1801, that's when democracy almost died.
     
  13. goofyfish Analog By Birth, Digital By Design Valued Senior Member

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    Man... you gotta stop leavin' me hanging like that!

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    1801? Do you mean the Barbary Wars? I admit that I am lost on this one.

    Peace.
     
  14. thecurly1 Registered Senior Member

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    Feuding between the Federalists and Republicans, Adams and Jefferson.
     
  15. goofyfish Analog By Birth, Digital By Design Valued Senior Member

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    Ah yes! I had forgotten... thanks for forcing me to go reading again.

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