Boys like girls and you have to keep them separated

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  1. arauca Banned Banned

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    By Patricia Zengerle

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The top general in the U.S. Armed Forces warned of a crisis of confidence in the growing ranks of women soldiers due to a rash of sexual assault cases that has prompted lawmakers to act.

    The warning by Army General Martin Dempsey came hours before President Barack Obama asked military leaders at a White House meeting to get the problem of sexual assaults under control.

    "We're losing the confidence of the women who serve that we can solve this problem," Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said as he returned from NATO meetings in Brussels. "That's a crisis."

    Obama met with Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, Dempsey and other military leaders at the White House to discuss sexual assaults after a series of scandals discredited efforts to stamp it out.

    A steep rise in sexual assault cases comes just as the Pentagon moves ahead with plans to integrate women into front-line combat roles.

    Two cases in as many weeks in which members of the armed forces tasked with preventing sexual assaults have themselves been charged with sex crimes, were the last straw for lawmakers.

    News of a third similar case broke shortly after the White House meeting when an Army officer who managed the sexual assault prevention office at Fort Campbell military base in Kentucky, was removed from his job.
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  3. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    We also have 22 vets a day committing suicide. Something's severely f*d up.
     
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  5. Buddha12 Valued Senior Member

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    Leadership in the military seems to be the problem for they can't resolve the problems at hand. Military leaders seem to know the business of war but not of other life issues which they need to understand better.
     
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  7. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    If you don't let boys like girls, they will substitute boys for girls.
    As proven by the Navy, Prisons, and the English Public School system.
    This is not a comment about homosexuality.
     
  8. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    For me, this was a no-brainer - it was inevitable. Separately, fire and gasoline can be reasonably controlled and useful, but simply never mixed together. Even the dumbest kid on the block could have seen this coming. So I figure the military leadership chose to turn a blind eye and hope that when it became a major issue it would be during someone's else's watch.
     
  9. Buddha12 Valued Senior Member

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    They should ask other countries like Israel about men and women working together in the military because they have had it in operation for decades now. That's not to say you have a point but there are ways to handle things and it seems they didn't do so for whatever reasons.
     
  10. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Nothing unusual about that. The suicide rate among vets is always higher then the general population. It's hard adjusting to civilian life.
     
  11. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    You don't show someone you like them by raping them. This is a product of the lack of leadership and independent prosecution in the military. Most of these scumbag perps get a slap on the wrist when in a civilian court, they would go to jail. If it's even brought before the commanding officer in the first place. The process of reporting rape usually leads to the victims receiving humiliating inquiries into their past sexual life, lie detector tests, and psychological evaluations. This doesn't happen outside of the military.
     
  12. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Many years ago, they told us in Sunday School: When boys and girls are little, we keep them separated because they don't like each other. When they get older, we keep them separated because they do like each other.

    I suspect that rapists and their victims don't like each other but separating them is not a real solution to the problem. A rapist is going to find a victim, whether she's a soldier in the next foxhole or a brown girl in the nearest village.

    The solution is not separating the boys from the girls; it's separating the rapists from the Army.
     
  13. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    Bingo!
     
  14. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    You can't systematically desensitize and train men to objectify other people for the purpose of killing for us, and at the same time, expect those same men, in those same conditions, to be restrained and civil. Especially during a period when their political and spiritual leaders back home are busy objectifying the women back home. The astounding thing is not the misbehaviour, but how well most of the soldiers behave most of the time.
    By the way, i believe the Israeli army does have a similar problem. Gender-segregated Separate units might be a helpful step toward mitigation. The only solution is a sane society.
     
  15. Buddha12 Valued Senior Member

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    And why not. We ask it in general society and have laws stating that.
     
  16. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The Israeli military has had some sexual assaults, as have the militaries of all other countries. That doesn't mean they've had anything like this within their ranks, whether gender integrated or not.

    You can't expect soldiers to be meek and civil and diplomatic and monkish and chaste. You can expect them to be honorable and disciplined, and to regard betrayal of a fellow soldier as inconceivably contemptible. That's training, and part of training is washing out the unfit.

    But another part of the deal is not betraying the soldier. You do predictable harm to honor and discpiline when you betray it at the leadership level. Too many US soldiers have been in morally and psychiatrically corrosive deployment for too long now - it is bound to affect the military as a whole.
     
  17. arauca Banned Banned

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    tHIS is a bunch of crap. The girls are trained to defend themselves , so i they know on how to fight off the attacker. But if they don't fight them of physically so they get what ever they are looking fore. Woman wanted go into the military with man , so this are the consequences, and stop crying
     
  18. arauca Banned Banned

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    How do you know which soldier is a rapist ?
     
  19. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    So if she can't fight off a grown man (or 3 or 4) with military training, she's asking to be raped?
     
  20. arauca Banned Banned

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    Tell me what happens if she get attacked by a enemy soldier is she going cry that she have been raped . A woman does not have any business to be among rough men
     
  21. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    I'm sorry, but IMO you really are a waste of space. So much of what you say is just rather obscene. Bleck....
     
  22. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, she is going to say that she's been raped. But she can also shoot them if she can. She cannot shoot her fellow soldiers. And men are getting raped too. Were they also asking for it?
     
  23. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Your fellow soldiers should have your back, not be as much of a threat to you as the enemy is. Jesus, you're one scarey dude.
     

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