Bordello and rape

Discussion in 'Science & Society' started by arauca, Sep 27, 2013.

  1. arauca Banned Banned

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    I would not say the at all . There are a large variety of reason to be prostitute , one of them an easy life. I even not sure if there is a guilty feeling . I my early life I was a weakly customer , same of then even if you talk of changing a life style might get angry with you . So I considered let life flow as it wants. If you are a steady customer they make it enjoyable , they don't rush you and they ask you to stay over night .
     
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  3. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    In the same way that no one joyfully goes to work on a Monday, agreed. However, for some it's a reasonable job.
    Agreed. But some women enjoy using men for sex - and don't mind being paid for it either.
    Or by a woman who likes sex and prefers it to another job.

    There are lots of jobs out there. Some lucky people have jobs they love. Most people choose a job that pays reasonably well that they don't dislike too much. For a few women, that job choice is prostitution.

    Would they be happier if someone gave them a million dollars and they didn't have to work? Probably. But that's true of everyone, not just prostitutes.

    Yes and no. Legalizing alcohol did not benefit society, but outlawing it hurt society a LOT. (Increase in deaths from alcoholism, increase in crime, increase in violence.) There's a parallel there with prostitution. By removing the crime, the drugs and the STD's society is better off. Not because prostitution is good or beneficial, but because its illegal form is harmful.

    That's no more accurate than saying that actors are mentally ill people who have no identity of their own and must adopt the roles that are provided for them by movie studios, and are trapped in their life of lies and deception. Sure, there are people like that, but the majority just want to act and get paid.
     
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  5. arauca Banned Banned

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    It gives benefit to society that man have an alternative for his sex drive if his wife is not willing to help him. and man can continue been married and support the family
    Otherwise he will get himself involved with an other woman and eventually get divorce.
    There a lot of man use their service . For those married man who use their service , the wife apparently the wife have to many head akes , or is to concern about their hair do, or other excuses . Normal women snarls at prostitution I think is because there is an other woman that the husband shears the affection
     
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  7. arauca Banned Banned

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    My friend finally you backed me up, with you elaborate soft spoken communication. Thank you.
     
  8. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, I always come away warm and fuzzy, when someone justifies depravity and degradation of women, with examples that have nothing to do with the core issue.

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  9. arauca Banned Banned

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    Have you ever had a chat with a prostitute ? In my early life I wanted to pull one out of that life , She said that is very nice of you bu you can not afford me.
    I don't see it in no way degrading , some of them are very lovely lady .
     
  10. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    No one wants to be used or seen as a commodity, arauca. No one. No matter how someone justifies or disguises the fact that he/she is being used (for money, etc...) it doesn't take away the fact that deep down, that person knows he/she is being used. Human beings have an incredible ability, however, to acclimate to just about any environment. Acclimation doesn't mean acceptance, however. It just means that the person has somehow accepted that being used by others, is his/her only way to make it in life.

    And men who pay prostitutes for sex are acting out of their depravity, but can probably come up with a whole host of reasons, to justify why they use women. Like your example above...it will save a marriage? That is your justification? If a wife at home won't have sex with her husband, instead of the husband getting to the reasons behind that, he can just go 'use' a prostitute? As we can see, the justifications have no limits. You are right in your example above, though. Men do use prostitutes so they can still 'keep' their marriage going, and still get a lil somethin' on the side. Having one's cake and eating it, too. And I guess it's ok for that same man to lie to his wife, because I highly doubt he's telling his wife he's banging prostitutes. But, hey...according to you, this is a good thing.

    Human beings are not meant to be used, is my point.

    Legalizing prostitution basically tells society that it's ok (legal) to use women for sex, in the form of a business transaction.

    And I dare to wonder why sexism is on the rise, and not the decline.

    To answer your question arauca, I have only met one prostitute; she was part of a support group I was helping with, a few years ago. She shared that she was abused by her father, and ran away when she was a teenager to escape his abuse. She had no skills, so she became a prostitute. She also became addicted to drugs shortly after she started working as a prostitute. Not all prostitutes have a story such as hers, I realize this. But, most women who see nothing wrong with allowing their bodies to be used for sex in the form of a business transaction, don't see themselves as deserving better.
     
  11. arauca Banned Banned

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    Sexism that is a woman problem, get married be compatible. let me give you a married answer and prostitution if the wife cook and I love he cooking I don't want to go to restaurant .

    The other thing crossed mu mind Is there much different in one night stand , It cost the guy a expensive dinner and a present ,( bot cost money) or go to a professional that know how to treat a man ?
     
  12. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    I love the authority people are making these judgements, firstly the compleate ignorance that males are prostitutes too but secondly the absolute assumption that no one enjoys there work

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/why-im-happy-to-be-a-sex-worker-20130913-2toi6.html

    http://www.dailylife.com.au/health-and-fitness/debunking-the-myths-of-sex-work-20130429-2iodn.html
     
  13. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    There's no judgements. That's not at all my point. I'm well aware that there are male prostitutes. The point I'm making is, no one enjoys being used. And to legalize prostitution simply illustrates that society views people as disposable, just like a toaster or a box of Kleenex. I don't care what "evidence" anyone uses to support such a notion that people don't mind being used (for any reason), it's simply not true.

    It's not about morality which is subjective to me, it's not even about anyone's views on sex. To me, legalizing prostitution opens up a Pandora's box of more to follow, as it relates to human beings losing their intrinsic value and being reduced to little more the sum total of their body parts' "worth" to society.

    IOW, legalizing prostitution will cause more harm than good, in the long run and the damage it will do will become evident in other arenas, directly or indirectly.

    Nothing stays in a vacuum.

    It's a human problem. And, it's merely my own opinion.
     
  14. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    Love judgement without evidence. I mean what would those who actually do it know, someone with no experience of course knows better. And as for your second point prove it, you should be able to point to examples of rains of frogs and Hell raining down in Victoria if your "theory" had any substance.
     
  15. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    For what it is worth...I'm no longer a religious person; to me, this is a human problem. And I don't need to supply evidence. Should you live long enough to see the damage that legalizing prostitution will eventually cause for all of society, that will be your evidence.
     
  16. arauca Banned Banned

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    Let me ask this question : young man from 16-- to say 27 years old they are in the high sexual drive what should they do . Sould they get married at 17 . 18 years old seduce the girlfriend rape some relative girl, or go to a brothel ?
     
  17. arauca Banned Banned

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    I know you are not talking to me , but I grew up in South America, believe the USA morality is much more in decay then there the divorce rates arenot as high as here , I don.t know how it is in "The good down under " ( Australia )
     
  18. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Is that the only set of options to choose from? Lol
    He could date someone, and develop a healthy sexual relationship with that person.
    Raping someone arauca is never an option. Rape isn't about sex, as much as it is about power and control over another person. Sex is the bridge to that end.

    Sexuality and how people choose to express it is definitely a subjective matter of opinion.

    But, implying that legalizing prostitution will somehow lessen the crime of rape, indicates that proponents of such a notion don't truly understand what motivates a person to rape.
     
  19. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Please tell me you're not advocating prostitution as a measure to save marriages.

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  20. arauca Banned Banned

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    I don't advocate anything by I don't oppose either. I was married for 22 years , but as I got involved wit a friend then the hell broke loose , and I had to split , otherwise I was married and living my dual life for 20 years
     
  21. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    I get where you're coming from, arauca. I'm just showing another POV, is all. I just don't believe everything is "for sale."

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    (that's neither here nor there for this discussion, i suppose)

    I'm not judging someone's choice in the matter, I'm speaking more to the point of how legalizing prostitution will not lessen the crime of rape, all things being equal, and it won't benefit society, in the long run.
     
  22. arauca Banned Banned

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    I am not philosophizing I am sur presenting some of one mans fact and reasoning . My point is there are billion of man and each is a history and man and women are not perfect each of us want to satisfy our physiological needs, that is why we get married to help each other , when help is not there after a period we choose alternative . The same is with youth before marriage have taken place at lower age then now , I believe was to satisfy the physiological needs. We human have not changed the needs are there . I believe in this society if the women lib continue growing and get away from responsibility of marriage deteriorate prostitution will grow and so will be the immorality. So my point is let women become wife otherwise brothels will be a need.
     
  23. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    arauca,

    As billvon said, that would be sexual harassment. Basically, you would be threatening the girl, saying that if she didn't have sex with you she would be risking her career progression. It's a form of bullying.

    It's certainly not an easy life for many. It's difficult to generalise.

    Should the wife know about that her husband is visiting prostitutes, do you think? Does she have a right to know? Is it important that she should consent to it?

    Masterbation is always an option.

    Getting married just because you want to have sex is a very bad reason for marrying, for all kinds of reasons.

    Rape, of course, is completely out of the question. It is immoral and it is a crime.

    As for the other options, there's no major problem with them, as long as whichever girl is involved gives informed consent.
     

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