Any poor books, films, comics, cartoons, of the above genres? I have a couple to suggest. "revelation space" By alastair Reynolds. I bought it, it had a pluadits aying something like "the first great book of the new millenium" or suchlike on the front. (ok, i got it second hand and therefore cheap.) Looked like space opera. Indeed it was. He had some original ideas (and many more unoriginal) , and as hes a cosomologist in real life, that side of things was fine and interesting. But the characters sucked big style. I didnt care about any of them until the last 10 pages. (of over 200 I think) The plot was not particularly confusing, but yet was confusing, somehow cloudy and not well explained. The character motivation was rubbish, and they didnt really come across as individuals. I wouldnt mind that since it is space opera, but somehow it promised more, and never delivered. Yet still had all these plaudits plastered all over it. So, for a first book, sort of acceptable, yet no actually particulalry good. A friend of mine got half way through it and flung it across the room. Another one with similar problems is Iain Banks "A song of stone", set in an unnamed planet. society which is having a revolution. Quite frankly , a few pages into the book I couldnt see any point whatsoever into the story. So I never went any further. Possibly I was having a bad day, and didnt read it well enough. Or maybe it really does have dull, uninteresting and unsympathetic characters in a situation that is boring, stereotyped and pointless. Anyone got anything else? Feel free to argue furiously about how bad something is or isnt.