Aung San Suu Kyi.. The Fall of a Human Rights Icon..

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Bells, Sep 15, 2017.

  1. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

    Open question:
    Given that Kofi Annan has completed a reasonably thorough review of Myanmar's situation do you think that he would report a Government orchestrated genocide or ethnic cleansing if he witnessed it?
    He does know what a genocide or ethic cleansing is I guess...
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  3. Bells Staff Member

    Amnesty International have finished their report and it has been released to the public.

    It details and tells of the attacks on various villages, of the mass murders, the ethnic cleansing of the men and boys, the rapes of women and then burning down the huts and houses where these mass rapes occurred, with the women and girls still inside. It tells of the torture and murders on men, women and children.

    It details and provides evidence of the organised methods used by the military and government forces, with the aid of non-Muslim civilians brought in to help with the ethnic cleansing. The burning of the villages, the times in which these attacks occurred on villages and just how it was systematic and organised. This wasn't a bunch of people turning up with pitchforks and torches, but organised, where they were spread out around the villages and opened fire at once, with many people never getting the chance to flee to safety. Most importantly, it shows a concerted effort to convey feelings of terror in the Rohingya, with the attacks occurring in particular stages, for maximum effect.

    The first stage was the early morning or evening attacks, where the soldiers and government forces and non-Muslim civilians would surround the village and open fire, and then they would burn down all the buildings after raping and torturing those who were unable to flee.

    The second stage saw the military and government forces informing villages that their village was next and would be attacked, which reduced the number of deaths, but it does show just how well these were planned.

    The report also details just how Aung San Suu Kyi lied when she addressed the press in September, in that fateful press conference where she referred to these crimes against humanity as being "clearance operations" and advised that they had stopped days prior, and denied any violence against innocent civilians..

    Through early October, the deliberate burning of Rohingya villages and neighbourhoods remained ongoing. UNOSAT reported on 3 October that, in the previous week, its satellites had detected “more than 160 thousand square meters of destroyed structures.”140 Amnesty International’s own analysis of satellite imagery and data likewise indicates that fires have continued to be set in Rohingya villages and neighbourhoods, often forcing people who tried to stay throughout the violence to finally leave for Bangladesh.

    Since 1 October, fire data from remote satellite sensing, analysed by Amnesty International, shows several large fires in villages in northern Rakhine State, consistent with previous fires associated with the burning of Rohingya villages. Cloud cover continued to affect satellite sensing across the region. Satellite data indicated, and satellite imagery confirmed, burning in Tin May village, Buthidaung Township, between 7 and 11 October; for this specific incident, Amnesty International has not yet determined whether the Myanmar security forces were directly involved, or if it was only local vigilantes.

    Amnesty International has also received credible information about the ongoing burning of Rohingya villages from trusted contacts inside northern Rakhine State, including villages burned between 6-11 October in Maungdaw and Buthidaung Townships.

    The recent burning of Rohingya villages contradicts State Counsellor Aung San Suu Kyi’s statement during her 19 September speech on the Rakhine crisis that the military’s “clearance operations” ended on 5 September.141 Witness accounts, satellite imagery and data, and photo and video evidence all suggest that dozens of Rohingya villages have been partially or completely burned since then,142 including several of those for which satellite imagery is presented above.

    The fires and operations she declared had stopped on the 5th of September.. They were still occurring in early October and people are still fleeing for their lives.

    Their report also details the ongoing restriction of aid to the region, meaning that those who managed to survive, are without food or medical help, leaving them with little choice but to flee, as evidenced by some they interviewed, who detailed how they were forced to flee to Bangladesh, after living in the forests and jungles after fleeing their villages, due to lack of food, as the soldiers and government and civilian forces, denied them access to any food or their own rice paddies or animals they kept. Those who remain in their villages, are not allowed to leave or move around, with aid and any supplies refused entry, these people are literally being starved to death and forced to flee their homes for Bangladesh.

    The report shows just how this is a deliberate and concerted attempt to wipe the Rohingya off the face of Myanmar. Government policies now prevent and refuse them the right to return to their homes and villages, or even to the country.

    Their recommendations to the international community, which includes the UN, EU, ASEAN includes an arms embargo, advising that the international community needs to stop selling and supplying arms and weapons to Myanmar, financial sanctions against senior officials who are complicit in these crimes against the Rohingya and other ethnic minorities in Myanmar, if the Myanmar Government continues to fail to bring a stop to this or act to protect innocent civilians from ethnic cleansing, then those who are perpetrating these crimes need to be brought to justice in the ICC for crimes against humanity, and hold regular public meetings to discuss the situation in Myanmar to put pressure on the country to stop the violence and allow these people to return home and restore their rights and citizenship.

    More than half a million Rohingya have fled to Bangladesh in these recent Government and military incursions. No one knows yet the true extent of the deaths. And we will probably never know the exact number, as the Government and military forces are burning the bodies, to hide how many they have killed. This is a common occurrence with ethnic cleansing and genocide.
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    This would not be the first time that an idealistic and passionately justice-motivated younger leader grew into atrocity and mass murder.

    They say that Mao Tse Tung was a kind and deeply inspired young man, to name one in the general area.

    They say that power corrupts, but the histories suggest more direct influence from the limits of power - the frustration of discovering that power is not enough, that however powerful one cannot accomplish certain things, that people just will not behave.
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  7. Bells Staff Member

    I don't really see it that way.

    I think that when it comes to the Rohingya and other ethnic minorities in Myanmar, Suu Kyi never really bothered or cared. She never saw them as being Burmese. So for her, like many ethnic Burmese, this is just normal, to rid the country of people they do not recognise as being Burmese or their kin.

    It's not that she grew into atrocity and mass murder. It's that she does not see their treatment as being an atrocity to begin with.
  8. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

    With the view to maintaining perspective...
    MSF stats for the time period:
    25th, August to the 17th September 2017
    Camp population 500,000 +

    ... medical facilities, including MSF’s own clinics, are completely overwhelmed. Between 25 August and 17 September, MSF clinics received a total of
    • 9,602 outpatients,
    • 3,344 emergency room patients,
    • 427 inpatients,
    • 225 patients with violence-related injuries, and
    • 23 cases of sexual violence.
  9. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member


    So, yeah, this is still going on.

    Veteran U.S. diplomat and former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson abruptly resigned on Wednesday from an international panel established to advise Myanmar on its explosive Rohingya crisis, decrying the country's lack of "moral leadership" in a scornful letter.

    "It appears that the Board is likely to become a cheerleading squad for government policy as opposed to proposing genuine policy changes that are desperately needed to assure peace, stability, and development in Rakhine State," he wrote. "In initial meetings with members of the Advisory Board and [Myanmar's civil leader Aung San Suu Kyi], it has become clear that I cannot in good conscience serve in this role."

    Richardson, who served as the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations under President Bill Clinton, told Reuters that the panel had become "a whitewash." A scheduled trip by its members to Myanmar's border "just seemed like a big photo-op," he said in an interview with the Associated Press.


    This is certainly not good news. Then again, as love and atrocity in the Third World go ... right, I got nothin'.


    Cook, Jesselyn. "U.S. Diplomat Announces Resignation From Rohingya Crisis Panel In Scathing Statement". The Huffington Post. 24 January 2018. 24 January 2018.

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