Atheists revenge. Persecution of theists.

You don't even know about the plan, how can you judge it? If I make it about what will be, it will be about what will be.

 

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I'm not judging it.
And you aren't answering questions.
Why is that?, I wonder.

Ah, so you're trying to derail the thread?

 

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Like you have an eidetic memory...

Assumption. God might get bored of planning after a couple billion years. Regardless not following his plan does not make a direct leap to God's nonexistence.

 

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Ah so your still twisting my words, and still trying to discredit me as a last resort. You were never in this fight my friend. You know not what you are talking about, anyone who listens to your word is lost. This is my stance. If you have questions go ahead and list them here, and now. I will answer anything.

 

Please point out where I have twisted your words or retract the accusation.

A false one.

Okay, question 1: why haven't you answered my previous questions?
For example, these -
So we can choose to do things that god didn't plan? To wreck the plan? To make choices god didn't know about beforehand?

 

I have answered your questions, the answers are above your head.

 

Where did that get mentioned?

Your point being?

How not?

 

This is getting out of hand. Not only do you know nothing of God, but you seemingly know less than when you started.

 

Outright lie.


Still waiting:
Please point out where I have twisted your words or retract the accusation.

 

Either support your argument or shut up.
Your word alone is worth nothing.

 

maybe if you ignore him, he will go away?

he needs to grow up, before he can contribute intelligent arguments..all he is doing is parroting others(pry his parents) it sounds like he has given no thought to what he has been taught, he needs to grow up a bit before he can intelligently scrutinize his own beliefs.


it should speak to something as i usually defend theists..
but his posts are so random..that i cannot find anything to defend..

 

Nothing to you, I figured that much already.

 

Can you really see someone so arrogant and enamoured of his own viewpoint going away?

Nothing at all, not just to me.
On the other hand, you HAVE managed to figure something out (however incomplete). Maybe there's hope for you yet.

 

@ Knowldege91:

Still waiting:
Please point out where I have twisted your words or retract the accusation.

Or are you just going to let this lie stand?

 

true..i'm still here..

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well if you missed it I guess it isn't true...

No plan doesn't mean no God. I don't see why you attempted to make the assumption.

 

Who said it was? :shrug:
Edit: your conclusion doesn't follow from the premise.

Please quote the post where you think I made (or attempted to make) that assumption. Maybe you should continue your reading lessons before posting again.

 

Here you equate omniscience with planning, and say our choice negates his godlyhood.

 

@NietzcheHimself --

No plan means no observable or detectable intervention which necessarily means that god is irrelevant. So no plans means that while there may be a god it doesn't really matter whether there is or isn't, do you really want to go down that path?

 

Yes, as I thought. Back to school for you. Fail.
IF there is a plan and we aren't doing what was planned THEN god is not omniscient. Since his plan was obviously flawed.

If we can go (have gone) against god's plans then how "godly" is he? He's certainly not omniscient (as shown above) and he's also not omnipotent (since he can't stop/ hasn't stopped us).

Define "godlyness" for me if it doesn't include one or the other (or both) of the above, please.