Atheist world

Discussion in 'Comparative Religion' started by arauca, Nov 2, 2013.

  1. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    You're exaggerating. They had to be tolerant of the Orthodox church because it was the only institution large enough and respected enough to possibly have the critical mass to rouse the population to rebel. But they weren't so tolerant of other branches of Christianity, much less other branches of Abrahamism (except maybe in the southern Turkic/Mongol/Persian republics where Islam had the same status as Orthodoxy in the north). Non-Abrahamic faiths were handled on a case-by-case basis.

    The poor Jews thought they were going to get a break when the Czar was overthrown, so many of them happily joined the Party. But it appears to be their destiny to never get a break--except in our country.

    Sure, the communist government was not as monolithic as we think, and there were certainly churches, synagogues and other places of non-Orthodox worship scattered across the country. But on the balance, most people who were not Orthodox, atheist, or simply kept their faith to themselves and talked to God at home, had to be wary.
     
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  3. arauca Banned Banned

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    You here a visitor to be indoctrinated , they showed to you the beauty on the rug , they did not show you the dirt under the rug. And from what I see in you, they did a wonderful job of indoctrination.
     
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  5. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not talking about when the Soviets took over from the Czar, I'm talking about the modern day USSR, or at least the one that existed not long ago. Of course, folks didn't publicly practice their religion openly, they did so in their homes and weren't wary of that at all. The idea was that people were not allowed to congregate for any reason unless approved by the state, which included congregating for religious practice. The government knew only too well they couldn't stop folks from practicing their religions and didn't bother trying. Many of them were religious, themselves.
     
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  7. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    More gibberish. Funny, how you can tell us all about what was going on over there without ever having been there. Hilarious.
     
  8. arauca Banned Banned

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    I was there about 4 years ago to visit whatever reminded of the family.
     
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  10. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    The Soviets were not in power 4 years ago.
     
  11. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    WTF are you talking about? Admired society? LOL. Idiot.
     
  12. arauca Banned Banned

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    You better curtail your insults you are breaking the so called rules , I noticed that the administrator of this forum are atheist so they let thing slide , but if I would use such insults they would ban me,
     
  13. Cheezle Hab SoSlI' Quch! Registered Senior Member

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    So now you don't believe in hell, but I am guessing you believe in both heaven and reincarnation. How in hell does that work? And you believe in wandering spirits, and aliens and "ascended masters" and who knows what other crap. You can't seem to keep a consistent mythology. You brain is filled with a mush of different ideas and each day you wake up and decide what to believe in as if you were ordering a meal from a menu in a Chinese restaurant. And while you now say there is no hell, I am willing to bet that in the not too distant future, you will be spitting fire and brimstone damnations at atheists and various other groups.

    People come in many types. Most truly religious types are herd people. As in a herd of sheep. They have this inherent need to be told what to think and do. I think that you are one of these sheeple. Unfortunately you are not a normal sheep. Most sheep flock together and have a hierarchy. You seem to be unable to keep track of which other sheeple you need to follow. And so you just follow anything that presents itself. You just amble around following what ever is in front of you. You are easily distracted. But that is not a complete description of you either. You seem to want to be a leader. You want others to follow you. That is why you are "trained by ascended masters". Why space aliens send you telepathic suggestions on how to build a gravity beam. You desperately want that, but fail. Fail is built into those ambitions. They lack a sense of scale and reason.

    The reason I find you and your ideas objectionable is not that you are a natural born sheeple. Most sheeple are just going with the flow of the herd. They congregate and function as a herd. The herd has a purpose and works. It is their natural state. I think that part of your problem is that you don't really believe all the crap you say you do. You are actively modifying your belief system intentionally. This can be a good thing. An educated person might examine their beliefs and decide that some are wrong and change them. Or even a non-believer might try and believe to fit in with their religious neighbors. But what you are doing is choosing bizarro made up ideas to believe in. In other words you are self delusional. I know people that believe in their religion, or UFOs or whatever, and I look at them and just say, yup, that fits them. That is who they are and will forever be. It is mostly harmless. But your ideas are way beyond those simple delusions. You really should seek professional help.
     
  14. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    All I'm saying is that I take him at his word that he had an experience, but it's quite common to have an experience of something that isn't real. In essence, I'm saying I don't trust the mind, and the experiences of the mind, especially during extreme stress, cannot be trusted as an accurate reflection of reality.

    Unless he was able to bring back some verifiable information from that experience that no one could have otherwise known.

    This is basic scientific method.
     
  15. Mazulu Banned Banned

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    If you don't trust your mind during periods of extreme stress, then how do you survive? Do you pay your own way?

    Science is what it is, and spiritual experiences are what they are, an important part of the human experience.
     
  16. Mazulu Banned Banned

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    You need something positive in your life.

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  17. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    I'm almost never under extreme stress. I'm talking near death experiences, not average life stress.


    Yes, they are, I would never deny that as I have had them too. But I think you have to differentiate between the substantive aspects of the experience, and the window dressing. Often such experiences take the form of whatever cultural images and beliefs the person had already. If "god" is telling you something, it's really your brain telling you that, and it's taking the form of god because it's like a dream, it takes whatever form it takes at the time, borrowing from the images in your head.
     
  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Mazulu, do you know how presumptuous that statement is?

    First, it assumes that all atheists are miserable and need something positive in their lives.
    Second, it assumes that you have the answer and that you are able to give me that something positive.
    Third, it is a common tactic used by dominants to extract obedience from submissives. It is a control mechanism.

    I am not accusing you of having anything other than good will, but these very words have been spoken by others during the commission of the most cruel and degrading personal crimes against others.
     
  19. Mazulu Banned Banned

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    Which statement? Please quote it.
     
  20. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Do we even have to enumerate the positive aspects of a rational worldview?
     
  21. Mazulu Banned Banned

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    Really?:m::m::m:

    Like when your heart stops and your soul leaves your body? What kind of stress is that? What is being stressed?

    Culture is one of the more important thing in our lives as human beings. I don't understand why you atheists feel the need to sterilize "culture".
     
  22. Mazulu Banned Banned

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    You mean sterilizing culture? Does that create happiness? For who?
     
  23. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Pixie dust? :roflmao:
     

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