Are You now More or Less Involved in Politics?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Bowser, May 25, 2019.

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What is your personal investment in current Politics?

  1. No more than casting my vote

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  2. I participate within my Party

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  3. I support my candidate, not so much a

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  1. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    Have politics been more interesting these past few years? Do you feel more involved or more emotionally invested?
     
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  3. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    define "investment"
    define "personal"

    your question and thread header define a considerable intent to be dishonest
     
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  5. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    It's not a trick. I was idling during the Obama presidency--not very interesting, really. Do you feel current politics are more interesting? I think they are.
     
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  7. LaurieAG Registered Senior Member

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    It seems, at least in Australia anyway, that the right wing faction of the left, along with the greens, have been exposed as the 'neo left' and were discarded by the people at the ballot box so the traditional left has to reassert itself to make up for all the damage caused before politics can get back to its grass roots.
     
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  8. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Gotta love it.
    Bubbles don't just maintain themselves.
    Right makes messes, left is assigned cleanup.
    It's that way in the US as well - although confused by the common ascription of "left" to the Democratic Party, in the US setup.
     
  9. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Interesting isn't quite the term I'd use. They've become increasingly terrifying over the last few decades. Not just my own country - which isn't the US, and I realize that most Americans are unaware of politics anywhere else - but wo0rld-wide. I gather the current reigning fathead is likely to succeed the hard-working and luckless Elizabeth May in the UK; I heard the reigning fathead of Hungary is bosom buddies with the reigning fathead of the US now and the reigning fathead of Alberta openly declared war on environmentalists.... It's everywhere.
    Far less involved. When I believed there was hope, I was active in various ways. Now, I'm going just through the motions, the same way i keep recycling - as a duty. Emotionally, I try very hard to stay distanced. I want the use of my brain and liver for another decade.
     
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  10. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i like Barack (though i don't know him or Michelle personally, only from watching them on tv)
    i think he is an amazing person
    i like Michelle.
    they appear to be cut from a similar cloth
    both seek to gain excellence in their chosen field and both seem to have the core personal drive to serve the people.
    this is extremely rare.

    i think leaders should be public servants as a core personality trait.

    some people are interested by watching others suffer
    "interesting" and "investment of personal interest" and "fascination" and feelings of personal gain or loss"
    are completely different things.
    usa society has a really big issue with addiction
    the oxy addiction issue is a symptomatic social condition of the culture.
    the addicts didn't really know how good they had it when Barack was in.
    will they be pushed into cold turkey ?
    unlikely because it doesn't make the lobbyists rich

    130(roughly) American citizens die every day of the week from opioid over dose

    how many people are they connected with ?
    how many people does that show must be functional addicts ?
    opioids
    alcohol
    amphetamines

    ... that is millions of people who are functional addicts

    https://www.drugabuse.gov/drugs-abuse/opioids/opioid-overdose-crisis
     
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  11. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    ...and that doesn't even begin to account for the social media dependents, sugar and salt addicts, adrenaline junkies....
     
  12. candy Registered Senior Member

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    I try to avoid politics but since friends are actively involved I get pulled in despite my kicking and screaming.
     
  13. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Chinese curse: May you live in interesting times.
    Translation: May you have an idiot for your President.

    "Interesting" often isn't a good thing.
     
  14. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    Well, you might be right. Had the coin landed on the other side, we would be debating the Hillary Presidency.
     
  15. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Unfortunately, we couldn't even say, "At least she's better than Trump," because nobody could have predicted how hideously bad Trump would be.
     
  16. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    The predictions were pretty dire. The ones that came closest to the mark were the late-night comedians. And even they guessed conservatively.
     
  17. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, he's such a loose cannon that even the most absurd jokes fall short.
     
  18. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    many said DPRK was a breath away from launching a nuke at the usa because of how trump had treated them.

    thats pretty interesting.

    had DPRK not had the ability to drop 500 chemical weapons on the most densly populated financial hub of the world, that may be a different story today.

    the talking up a war with iran is probably the same lobbyist ad agencies looking to secure their next election budget

    meanwhile 130 Patriot American citizens die every day from opioid over dose.
     
  19. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Lots of people had Trump called more or less exactly - predicted pretty much exactly what we've seen.
    This guy, for example, and most of the hyperlinks on the sidebar there: http://yastreblyansky.blogspot.com
    This guy even more accurately, albeit with a narrower focus: http://driftglass.blogspot.com
    This guy indirectly, via link and essay: https://mikethemadbiologist.com
    This accurate predictor even has some major media exposure: https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/
    and so forth.

    The discouraging thing about the claim that nobody could have predicted Trump is that it's a retread - the same wwas said about W. And in the same circumstances - lots of people accurately predicted W's Presidency. Gore Vidal and the Onion are probably the most famous - Vidal for his uncanny foresight in predicting that W would be the least popular President in American history by the time he left office, at a time when W's popularity seemed untouchable.

    Lots of people predicted Trump's Presidency. Many of them had also predicted W's. It's just that such people are not handed six figure salaries and lifetime sinecure jobs as pundits, famous slots on TV, book deals financed by billionaire supported presses, and lucrative roles as visiting lecturers or think tank intellectuals. That kind of payoff and household name status is reserved for those who were and are consistently wrong about the Republican Party and its voting base.
     
  20. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Is this like how "Nobody could have foreseen the -- financial readjustment ? -- of 2008"?
     
  21. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    We will never know. I'm thankful for that.
     
  22. spidergoat Venued Serial Memberlist Valued Senior Member

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    But not considering her unfit for office.
     
  23. LaurieAG Registered Senior Member

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    The classic thing is that the right dominated green 'left' has never won an election from opposition here and the right wing of the left has only ever gained leadership/power after their predominately right wing elected politicians vote for a right wing leader.
     

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