Are You A Quack?

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  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Possibilities? All I see is a plethora of unsubstantiated claims that contradict each other. Look..if you don't have a plausible explanation for this incident just say so. It will save you alot of typing and me alot of reading.
     
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  3. Truck Captain Stumpy Registered Senior Member

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    ROTFLMFAO

    so, you're literally making sh*t up and posting information that can't be validated simply because you think it's true and you consider that rational... and because you absolutely reject valid verifiable evidence based argument then i am the one that needs to get a grip????

    transference

    WOW
    and that is directly refuted by the study i posted to you that proves that it DOES happen, it DID happen, and it was a well studied event of mass hysteria that has been repeatedly validated more times than you've changed underwear this month

    of course, don't let the 23,700 links in Scholar get you down: you have faith that you're right

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    I make no contradiction. You as you have shown many times are so fanatically involved in pushing and defending the right of every delusional, impressionable, gullible person, that claims anything that smells of paranormal, supernatural, or Aliens, that your mind appears rather clouded to the real facts.let me list them again for you.
    [1]Alien craft do not just flitter in and flitter out again, over many decades, without making their supposed visitations official.
    [2] Some people are really obsessed with such things, so much so, that anything they see that is unexplained, is automatically an Alien craft...or a ghost...or maybe Bigfoot...or, or yeah that's right, I almost forgot! An Interdimensional time traveller!!!

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    MR, I not really concerned about your obsessions and delusions, but please don't expect every other person in every thread you decide to turn into an account of your delusions and other's delusions, to accept such nonsense, OK?
    You take it easy now.

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  7. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Your hysterical laughter and overdefensiveness is extremely concerning. Go to the ER immediately. I think you're suffering from "paradigmatic collapse disorder"..

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  8. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Although this thread is mainly about the quacks, cranks etc that claim many unsupported alternative scientific nonsense and speudoscientific beliefs, it seems that MR has turned it into a blog on his very own favourite pastime.
    Obviously that pastime and those taken in by it also fit that crank, quack label, so we'll continue to humour him for now.......

    http://www.endevil.com/stupidbeliefs.html

    People believe in all kinds of ridiculous things which have little or no evidence to support them. Some of them are relatively harmless like Santa Claus others cause all kinds of problems particularly when a large number of people adhere to them. If a belief becomes popular enough despite the lack of evidence it will be treated as fact by many, leant legitimacy by virtue of having loads of supporters and they´ll bring their kids up to share their beliefs. Of course the fact that a lot of people believe something does not make it so. There have been a number of widely held daft beliefs throughout history which were later proven wrong so let´s ridicule them. Of course just because you can´t prove a stupid belief wrong doesn´t mean it´s right as Bertrand Russell pointed out when he suggested there might be a small teapot orbiting the sun, it is tough to prove a negative.

    This section will grow because people believe in so many silly things, so check back for updates. If you are a believer and want to argue the case for your stupid belief feel free to use the contact link to send an email.




    Aliens and U.F.O.´s
    There have been thousands of reported UFO sightings, alien sightings and alien abductions over the years and many people not only believe that extra terrestrials exist but that they have visited earth, in fact according to a Gallup poll one third of Americans believe aliens have visited earth. There is a huge community of enthusiasts on the internet reporting on sightings and offering their own usually ridiculous explanations about the aliens, some of them claim to have identified a number of species and to know things about their social structure and what they want here on earth but it reads like cheap unimaginative sci-fi.

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    When faced with obviously faked or even just unclear footage believers choose to interpret it as genuine because they want to believe. The level of belief among some enthusiasts is akin to religious faith in it´s stubborn refusal to logically examine the evidence. Applying the idea of Occam´s razor that the simplest explanation is probably correct it should be obvious that a hoax or unknown man made craft, or perhaps even a weather effect is far more likely as an explanation of a UFO sighting than an alien craft.

    While it is certainly possible and perhaps even likely that we are not the only life in the universe it is distinctly unlikely that we are being visited by aliens. The case for aliens visiting earth is leant weight by the fact that many respected people have reported sightings and I don´t doubt that many of them believe what they are saying, although there are plenty of attention seeking liars out there too, but I do think in all probability they are mistaken about what they have seen.

    The vast majority of UFO sightings if investigated can be explained. The UFO community seem to be fixed on the idea that there is a government conspiracy to cover UFO´s up. There has been much talk about Roswell and the plausible government report that they were testing crash dummies airdropping from high altitude has been rejected. In fact every time the government release a report on their UFO or alien investigations people refuse to believe it. None of the governments of the world have ever found any evidence of aliens visiting earth and if they did why would they cover something like that up? I´ve yet to hear a good reason for this. I also think the enthusiasts are giving the government an awful lot of credit if they really believe that they are capable of covering something like this up, if we really have been visited by aliens and the government knows about it then the information will undoubtedly come to light, the government are rubbish at cover ups and conspiracies. It also seems likely that if aliens visited and wanted us to know about them there wouldn´t be anything the government could do to stop it, they can´t even stop humans from exposing things and committing all sorts of crazy acts so how the hell are they going to effectively stop aliens with advanced knowledge?

    While some believers have quite plausible stories the volume of reports is staggering and inevitably there are many deeply silly ideas about aliens. My personal favourites are cattle mutilations, abduction stories and the retarded idea that aliens built the pyramids. Why would an advanced race of beings (they would have to be advanced to even travel to earth) arrive here and then carve up cattle? Why would they abduct people and probe them and then put them back again? If they have been doing these things how have they managed to leave absolutely no evidence behind?

    Cattle mutilations have been reported several times along with mutilations of sheep and horses. These can all more easily be explained by predator attack or in cases where the animals have been surgically carved by psychotic human attack. People commit atrocious acts all the time I find it far more plausible that a disturbed human cut up an animal than the idea that an alien travelled light years across the void in order to do it.
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    That's how he rolls.

    I was going to suggest that this thread was really drifting, but he is, after all, providing an excellent example of the title of this thread.
     
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    Abduction stories are great and largely a product of the latter half of this century, interestingly there are very few earlier accounts of alien abduction; they coincide quite neatly with our sudden fascination for science fiction. Mentally deranged or confused people and attention seekers tell stories of being picked up in an alien spacecraft and subjected to all kinds of probes and tests and then returned. No-one else ever sees them being taken or returning and they never have any physical evidence of their encounter that they coudn´t have caused themselves or that some other person couldn´t have visited upon them. The typical abduction story was developed early on and subsequently people have adhered to the same basic structure. Now even supposing there was some truth to it why would the aliens continually do the same procedure on multiple people over a period of years, wouldn´t they have found whatever it was they were looking for by now? Some of the accounts have hilarious details like being shown around the spaceship or exposed to a hybrid alien-human child, yeah I´m sure advanced aliens would want to find a way to breed with inferior creatures and given the fact most species on earth can´t cross breed what is the likelihood that we could breed with an alien? It reminds me of the whole Independence Day scenario where computer software is uploaded to defeat the alien mother ship, Apple and Microsoft aren´t even compatible on earth so I´m kind of doubting that one. Abduction stories always have the same elements and they seem to be similar to stories of demonic visitation and even out of body experiences which makes it far more likely there is something common to human brain chemistry which allows for a strange event and different people interpret it in different ways according to their personal beliefs.


    In reports of encounters the aliens are almost always humanoid, why would they be humanoid? Doesn´t that just betray a lack of imagination, I mean sci-fi shows and films make aliens humanoid because it is cheaper to realise on film, a human actor with some make-up can play an alien, there is no fundamental reason they would be humanoid in reality.

    With UFO sightings believers often point out aerial manoeuvres which would be impossible for our aircraft to make but if you watch some of the footage you have to wonder why an alien ship is coming here just to zoom around in a cloud and then disappear again. How come all of the footage is blurry? If they regularly visit why has no one ever gotten a clean look at them or a convincing piece of evidence?

    Flying saucers are also a pretty daft idea and it is amazing how many of these tapes of UFO´s feature a saucer shaped object even although it would be an incredibly inefficient shape for flying which would require massive amounts of energy to propel itself. It´s also not a very practical shape from the inside, even if you accept that perhaps aliens have technology which flaunts the laws of physics as we know them wouldn´t they build a nice practical cube rather than a saucer? It´s actually an extremely dated view of what an alien spacecraft might look like which has embedded itself in popular culture.

    A few respected professionals have come out in support of alien theories of visitation and even abduction but it is worth pointing out that the most prominent ones have a clear vested interest in spreading the idea, they write and sell books on the subject and they get paid to appear on television shows talking nonsense about aliens. I have no problem at all in believing that they would trade their reputations for riches, people from all walks of life have been doing that for years.

    Aliens do not visit earth, if they ever do I suspect we´ll know all about it and there has to be a decent chance they will exterminate us all for being arseholes. There is nothing wrong with speculating about aliens, it´s a fun topic but people who claim to be an authority on the subject, people who classify alien races and talk about the visits as though they are unassailable fact are annoying idiots. Of course there´s always the possibility that I´m an alien or a government stooge trying to throw them off the scent because their knowledge is so accurate.


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    No..I insisted several times that this subject not be discussed. That we stick to the topic of the OP. It was all the other skeptics who kept pushing the topic of ufos which I only responded to. That includes you too. So no, I'm not the source of the derailing of this thread. Blame it on Stumpy and Deacon and billvon and iceaura and sideshowbob and your own need to mock a subject you know absolutely nothing about.
     
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  13. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    LOL! The author's spurious claim that "quack" applied to anyone who criticizes mainstream orthodox science doesn't even apply to me. You DID read the OP didn't you?
     
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    Science has critics all the time...Some justified, some not justified and just the rantings and ravings of cranks, and quacks.
    We have even had cranks and quacks claim that science has never did anything for mankind on this forum in the past.
    With regards to yourself, and as I remarked when you forced yourself into this thread, you took the cap, and you made it fit perfectly.

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    It's just sad what the debunkers have to resort to defend their worldview.
     
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    lol I think the photos are more of the problem. (they seem kind of ''home made'') Something tells me that most people don't have a problem with opening their minds up to the possibility of extraterrestrial life, whether they admit that or not.

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  19. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    So you think thousands of people have been hoaxing photos of ufos since the 1940's? Why would they do that?
     
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    How can you even ask such a question?

    For attention.

    Do you think the internet invented publicity-hounds? It's common human behavior.
     
  21. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Attention? Money? Fame?

    I don't dismiss all stories that I've heard, as there are some documentaries I've seen, that can be convincing.
     
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    Again, an error in understanding of the burden of evidence.
    Pad et al does not need to make any assertions.
    The onus remains on the claimant (pro-UFOers in this case) to provide evidence for their assertions.

    BTW, attempts to shift the onus of responsibility from claimant to skeptic are a common ploy of cranks and quacks. Don't do this.
     
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  23. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    If he's offering alternative explanations, then the burden is on him to evidence them. That's just the way it is.
     
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