Anyone concerned about solar flares/storms?

Discussion in 'General Science & Technology' started by wegs, Mar 2, 2021.

  1. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

    So, I've been reading about solar flares and how they could take out power networks and cause extensive damage.

    Would a solar flare be a catalyst for wide spread cancer? (due to the radiation) Could we stand a chance to protect ourselves, if we had enough advance warning from NASA? So often, money is spent after disasters strike, what could we do now to prevent a complete black out, should something like this occur?

    The sun seems so quiet and peaceful, until it spews radiation in random directions and causes havoc. Guess this is my new favorite anxiety thought.
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  3. Seattle Valued Senior Member

    I think the magnetosphere would take care of the problem for those on Earth. If you are on a space ship it's a potential problem.
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  5. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Nope. No significant increase in radiation for us. You'd get more radiation flying across the country.

    Loss of our electrical and communication systems, though, could kill tens of thousands. If a Carrington event occurred today it would be a disaster.
    Stockpile large grid scale transformers. Harden substations, transmission lines and powerplants. Harden communications equipment. Invest in grid resiliency (a big topic nowadays.) Enable more islanding by local utilities. Have backup communications methods in place (radio, line-of-sight optical, fiber.)
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  7. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    in a user pays society ?

    they had their chance they failed
    the dye is cast

    sounds like your trying to validate spending working class taxes on
    "rich peoples problems"
    '''''rich people committee meetings'''''
    with no outcomes except some stern words of warning lol !

    followed by a money scramble to rich people with working class tax income as corporate elitist rich people only, free money

    hows that working in texas ?

    are the Texan citizens getting their money back from the corporate's ?
    never !

    several questions you have asked
    there is a lot of reading for you to do

    basic areas are
    climate change
    solar cycles/ solar weather
    biological impact
    infrastructure impact

    nasa is hated by most republicans, they consider nasa to be a socialist organization & the religious political people think nasa is a bunch of heathen evil witches defying gods will & trying to damn the human species into hellfire
    (& they all share the same political party{republican}
    (hows that for interesting)[just throwing that reality out there for you to think about]

    you choose your words very carefully
    but in paying lip service to the liberal extremist ideology you define radiation as being "not a cause of cancer"
    which is inherently scientifically incorrect
    the radiation causes the mutation thus it causes cancer

    is that a show stopper ?

    the royal "we" of american society is = to absolutely nothing
    because the average american doesn't care
    however, possibly to their own worst advice, science has sought to invest & find possible ways to reduce the end of modern civilization as most know it.
    the advanced warning is approximately 24 to 48 hours currently & has not been standardized inside national infrastructure networks because of the amount of psychos who are in leadership positions

    that Texan mother whos struggling to pay for the funeral of her dead 11 year old child who froze to death in the electricity black outs probably doesn't share some peoples selective privileged rose tinted view of real world consequences

    . . . . . . wegs . . . . . .

    dont take my tone personally
    its a culture issue with Americans
    they simply don't care about people its always profit before people
    money talks in business

    but listen to the comment
    "100 million is too much for an 11 year old boy"
    if the money is not large enough to make them really hurt, then it is not punishment
    and they need to be punished to deliver justice

    these companys are the people who need to be doing the changing
    • (they own & control it)
    so how do americans force them to change ?
    this 100 million dollar law suit being won by the mother would be a good start
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  8. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Well, you have two entities who want them:
    1) Utilities
    2) People

    So here's what you do. You create DR (demand response) companies. They sell you controllable outlets, controllable thermostats and battery systems for some amount of $$$. The utility/state subsidizes these more or less depending on how well their grid is doing.

    Then when the utility is about to run out of power, they send a signal to the DR company. The DR company sends a signal to your devices and changes your thermostat, shuts off your hot water heater, refrigerator, EV charger and/or starts up your battery to discharge to the grid. Blackout averted! The utility pays the DR company for the service they provided preventing a blackout, they pay you.

    Everyone is happy. You keep your lights on, you get a few $$ from the DR company - and you only had to "suffer" through your thermostat being set four degrees higher for an hour.
    Nope. The Texas blackouts were very much a poor person's problem.
  9. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    when you desire to understand & learn, you must first stop speaking then become silent, then learn to listen, then learn to understand.
    at the moment your just continuing to speak

    intellectually your just shouting & pointing

    your trying to tell me how economics works when the American economic system is fake mixed market leveraged by user pays hyper capitalism bankrupted by socialist tax funding

    so you fake general hand wave intimating that some magic solution has suddenly re defined that reality by trying to
    "tell me like it is"
    is just annoying as equally as irrelevant
    you need to change the person making all the decisions to get better quality decisions

    your direct approach is to avoid this basic compulsory process
    because your giving heir to classicism ?
    you tell me
    its your brain your mind
    your theory
    you tell me
    why not change the system(people and company's & economic design) that is causing the problem ?

    you have flown right past my point
    OBVIOUSLY its a working class peoples problem, but they dont control the monopoly corporates or the elitist politicians(sure you can blame them as voters & as a culture, but that wont fix the situation)

    possibly you had your head in your champagne & caviar
  10. Seattle Valued Senior Member

    You do know that "your" and "you're" are two different words, don't you?
    "Heir" makes no sense in that context. You mean "air" I suppose.
  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

    And you are shouting and pointing in five different colors! Bravo!

    My suggestion above was for a solution. What is your solution? Do you have one?
    Nope. I am giving you a potential solution.

    Not irrelevant at all. Evidence - you responded to it!
    I agree. The homeowner is the best person to make those decisions. Give them the power. Why do you want to take away their power? (both literally and figuratively)
  12. Seattle Valued Senior Member

    You just don't understand Rainbow. You're only on level 2.
  13. Luchito Registered Senior Member

    Power to buildings and computers is not an issue, transfer switches will change the source of power from a temporary supplier. Problem is lost of communication that is not capable to be restored, like to say malfunction of satellites due to radiation.

    This is the fear from North Korea having access to send spacecrafts and own nuclear power, as an example. Any country capable to send a nuclear device to space is a big threat. A nuclear explosion in space at the level where satellites travel everyday can spread enough radiation to cause permanent damage to all satellites, this is to say, no more internet, no more GPS, entire armies of the world becoming blind to any attack from their enemies.

    Besides radiation from the sun, solar winds are another concern, this is since satellites were capable to detect a strong solar wind wave, passing close to earth, and literally cutting off part of our atmosphere and taking it to outer space. The empty area was immediately covered by the rest of our atmosphere.
  14. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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  16. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    the sun seems to have been a lot quieter than i expected

    it appears a CME is going to just miss earth some time from tomorrow onward
    which is good
    but it will ring up all the frequencies for half a day or so.
    AURORA watchers should be leased

    Elons star link could not have come sooner
  17. sculptor Valued Senior Member

    Anyone concerned about solar flares/storms?
    I would be more concerned by the prolonged lack thereof.

    (i dinnolike the caud weader)
  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Yep. Problem is that the power won't come back for months. How much fuel does the hospital's generator have?
    It's not the radiation that's the problem. It's the EMP which is caused by the interaction between the detonation, our atmosphere and our planet's magnetic field. That EMP can destroy electronics for hundreds of miles in all directions.
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  19. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member


    I tend to take this danger seriously even for philosophical reasons.....

    "Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound." (Isaiah thirty verse twenty six).
  20. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    Oh for cryin' out loud, this is a science forum.
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  21. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

    In 2008 Canada's Green Party Leader Ms. Elizabeth May campaigned in my area, Central - Nova. I sent her a copy of my campaign for municipal councillor that year and she replied essentially : "turning deserts green is one important part of a full response to climate change." She got my vote in that election. Intelligent scientists will grab an opportunity to present a concept to the group of people who tend to be against them for less than intellectually honest reasons.

    If a religious document that is somewhat accepted by perhaps twenty percent of the population of your nation has a famous statement that agrees with a policy that relates to saving millions of lives over the next century......... to refuse to quote that document is to turn "Atheism" into something that somewhat resembles a "religion."

    Also... there are implications to the fact that some aspects of ancient buildings still cannot be fully duplicated. For example.. ... some aspects of the Pyramids.

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  22. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    Fallacy: Argumentum ad populum.

    Homeopathy is accepted by many people too. The fact that something is believed by many people does not make it science - let alone true.

    Look, you could just as freely make a space weather argument based on quotes from Dr. Seuss (a very popular children's author I might add) - and no one could stop you posting - but your credibility for making a rational argument on science issues will likewise end in flaming wreckage.

    And what nation would that be?

    This has nothing to do with atheism. It has nothing to do with theism. The issue of atheism versus theism is, itself, not under the purview of science.

    This is a science forum. More to the point, this is a hard-science sub-forum.

    If you want to talk religion, open a new thread in the Religion subforum. That's what it's for.
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  23. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

    Mr. Al Gore's film An Inconvenient Truth left America terribly divided partly because he made no effort to reach out toward the political right. I liked his film and watched it probably four times but it was divisive....... and directed only to the political left. If solar flares could well increase melting of the land based Greenland Ice Pack, (which is one logical result), then it could be helpful to make a sincere effort to get people all across the political spectrum thinking about the win - win - win - win, relatively non-divisive method of addressing climate change through deliberately turning deserts green.

    What should we do to get prepared for the probability of solar flares?

    Turn deserts green on a massive scale and since the 2014 worldwide Derivatives Markets were at seven hundred and ten trillion the idae that we cannot afford to do it is something of a myth. The USA Derivatives markets were at two hundred and ten trillion in 2014 according to Mr. Jim Rickards and Forbes magazine.

    We obviously cannot stop solar flares but... we can get prepared for the probable aftermath.

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