Animal Pain and humane treatment

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  1. Spud Emperor solanaceous common tater Registered Senior Member

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    How big Enmos?, about 5 or six inches. When I lived in Western Australia, the big ones were about a foot long. I'm not squeamish but they could give my nape a rise.
     
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  3. Enmos Staff Member

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    Ugh! I don't like ticks.

    Damn, that's big..
    So, about this size then?

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  5. Spud Emperor solanaceous common tater Registered Senior Member

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    No I don't like ticks either, lost a good dog to one, almost lost a son, have had more painful, itchy and severe mood affecting encounters than I'd care to mention and, as for the centipedes, that is just the size of the West Australian ones.
     
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  7. Enmos Staff Member

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    I once contracted Lyme's disease from one. Well, the anti-biotics hopefully prevented it. Let's hope.
     
  8. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    The Horseshoe crab is related to the tick.

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    Horrible looking bloody things. Up to two foot long.
    Any of these down your way?
    Despite their antediluvian appearance, they are quite harmless.
     
  9. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Spud Emperor,

    Why would you boil such an excellent specimen? I would have kept it in a cage and brought in other arthropods to undergo combat against it, place bets, make good money!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL0Jm1x4OEE
     
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  10. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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  11. Nasor Valued Senior Member

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    I agree. I was simply trying to make the point that you can't interpret any reaction by an organism to something that's harmful to them as "pain." People who know things about brains claim that lobsters lack the parts of the brain necessary to really experience pain. I'll stay out of that argument though, because I don't really know anything about it.
     
  12. Enmos Staff Member

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    It's inconclusive really. They have no clue whether or not lobsters experience pain.
    On the other hand, it's been shown that fish do experience pain.
     
  13. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    As to Lobsters, although we know the "mate for life" is a myth, their courtship is still interesting - maybe you want to think about it as you boil the next one.
    (Which I plan on doing this evening with some friends - ironically, this thread inspired the idea!)
    I will attempt to kill them per Asguard's method prior to boiling though - never heard of it before...
    Anyways, D*mn those lobsters are good!

    I have dived in the Florida Keys to "tickle" them out many times - Florida lobsters don't have those big front claws though, and that is one of my favorite parts.
     
  14. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Well that's fine, but a lot of people really do think they're running, and very few people know about the flight reflex. This is a place of science and scholarship after all. There's no harm in tangential footnotes.
    Depends on the species. Our blue and gold macaw was screaming loud enough to hear over the traffic. Our African grey just vanished, even though the entire neighborhood was looking for her.
     
  15. alinko Registered Senior Member

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    dont u notice as soon as u put them in the pot they kinda die easy, thats if the pot is boiling, its like sending them to bath heaven

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  16. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Is there anything that can stop you from stating the obvious?

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  17. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Well morals ARE a personal thang... som people dont give a sht if dogs or cats feel pane or not :shrug:
     
  18. GuessWhoTimmySue Registered Member

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    ummmm...quick!


    Which one doesn't belong?

    A. Dogs
    B. Bugs
    C. Cats

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  19. GuessWhoTimmySue Registered Member

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    9 and countin'

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  20. Enmos Staff Member

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    Bugs don't belong in that list because dogs and cats are mammals, while bugs are not. Also, the terms 'dogs' and 'cats' both refer to a single species and/or the underlying subspecies, while the term 'bugs' refers to a wide range of orders including numerous orders in Arthropoda, Annelida and many, many others. In biology however, the term 'bugs' refers to the Insect order Hemiptera.
    But what the hell is your point?

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    Edit: I've got another one for you.

    Which does not belong?
    - Baboons
    - Humans
    - Orangutans
     
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  21. wsionynw Master Queef Valued Senior Member

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    I think the point of the OP was that since it isn't 100% clear how much or if at all lobsters suffer when being boiled, we as humans with power over the act of cooking lobster can choose to reduce the potential suffering by killing them first.

    Your apathy adds nothing. But thanks anyway.

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  22. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    B. is follered by "B"ugs

    C. is follered by "C"ats

    So "A. Dogs" dont belong cause "A" dont match the firs letter of the word that follers.!!!

    But i agree wit Enmos... what the hell is you'r pont... ie... ant it true what i said to S.S.... that morals are a personal thang... ie... som people are mor compassionate about the pane of creatures than others

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  23. GuessWhoTimmySue Registered Member

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    Cats & dogs also have a way to communicate their pain. And so do Lobsters, IMO.

    Humans do not belong, but I have a feeling you'll be debating that.

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    Nutmeg gently pats ClueBoy on the head. We can go with that if it helps.

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    Yes, I agree & my point is: We tend to take for granted the pain of those creatures/insects/animals/humans that fail to communicate their pain. Does a comatose patient feel any pain? Would you be just as careful when moving them as you are with an injured child who's screaming at the top of their lungs?
     

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