and sam bites the dust again..

And because it's the core of the issue Cultural Capital on Wiki

 

It is not your decision to make.

It is their culture, not yours or Sam's. What astounds me is that some demand their spiritual or religious beliefs be respected on this forum. But when it comes to the spiritual beliefs of other cultures, they feel quite free to denigrate, demean or view it as delusional. The hypocrisy of all this is quite funny, especially when one considers its source.

After all, demonise the Europeans for taking away Maori rights and culture and land, but then refer to Maori's as delusional, demean and deny them the right to said culture and spiritual connections to each other and to their land.. because one does not believe in bloodties.

You might not approve of blood ties or consider it to be "base". Fine. Then you don't have to believe in it. Maori's, on the other hand, do believe in it and have believed in it for a hell of a long time. Their facial tattoos, for example, were how they would recognise what blood tie or family tie the other had. That is their history. For outsiders to continue to deny them that historical connection is racist.

I have to ask. How does Islam accept Maori culture and their spiritual beliefs?

Does Islam allow for Maori's to have their own cultural practices and beliefs? Christianity in the Pacific, has blended with the local native cultures, whereby the Indigenous populations have been able to hold on to their culture and continue their cultural practices without religious restrictions.

How does Islam equate with the traditional Hangi for example, with Pork being one of the traditional meats cooked in a Hangi? How about the killing of the animals themselves?

What about their Moko which traditionally defined their identity and their familial ties? Are they allowed that?

 

sandy:

You don't understand how warnings work. If you report a post about somebody insulting you, say, and a moderator decides to warn the member responsible, they hit a button and an official warning message is sent to that member by Private Message. You will never see such a warning given to somebody else, for the very simple reason that you cannot read other people's private messages.

The simple fact is that such warnings have been sent to people who have personally attacked you, whether you know it or not.

 

I wonder if the Scotish are over represented in UK suicide statistics, after all, their culture was banned for what... 200 years?

 

Maybe they should do as Sam said and be like the Dalits.

Although they often threaten mass suicides and they probably have a higher suicide rate.. Hmmm..

But maybe New Zealand should follow India's example as to how they treat Maori's, and treat them like India treats Dalits. No, that's pretty fucked up as well, what with walls and the extreme discrimination and denying them their rights to their lands and their livelihood..

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Ermm wait.. that's not normal?

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Sexy!

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Especially if said with the proper accent.. Swing that sporran!

Or maybe not..

Damn nationalists..

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Call me ill tempered, but it's refreshing to see that those members that were so quick to jump to S.A.M's defense with accusations of my having flammed her.

Are equally quick to apologize for leveling false accusations at people.

 

Where did I say it was alright to mock other people's religious beliefs?

I say it is acceptable to question it. But mock? No.

Now I would like to throw that question right back to you. How is it somehow acceptable to demand reverant respect for your religious beliefs, when you refuse to accept the spiritual beliefs of native people's?

But now this..

Whether I agree with it or not is irrelevant.

Whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant.

It is not my culture or my heritage or history, so I really have no place to demand they alter a connection they feel is spiritual and that goes back hundreds and hundreds of years, that they have to each other and to those they adopt as Maori, because I disagree with it or think it might be racist.

It is a part of their personal identity.

I am an outsider. As are you. It is not our place to storm the front and tell them it is delusional or irrelevant. It is relevant to them. It existed prior to European settlement and that connection or the belief in that connection, continues today.

I really can't understand how you, of all people, can dismiss a part of a people's culture so easily and demand they simply get rid of it because you feel it is delusional and irrelevant.

Let me give you an example. Lets look at the bur'qa issue in France. Do you accept that it is acceptable for France to dismiss the bur'qa and ban it?

 

I respect that it is an internal issue that needs to be fixed internally.

How do you think Indians would feel if the West came riding in demanding its complete removal?

Whether I agree with it or not is beside the point. It is not my place to ride in like an imperialistic twit and tell them that it is irrelevant and delusional.

Now, let me ask you a question. How is the caste system similar to family ties in New Zealand? In New Zealand, it does not discriminate against anyone. It does not make anyone better than the other. It is to them a spiritual connection to their ancestors.

 

I have never once abused you for your religious beliefs. So don't you dare lump me in with those that do. I have always defended your right to your religious beliefs on this forum.

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Bullshit.

They are not standing up because it is Trippy. They are standing up because they see you, hypocritically ranting about racism against Maori's, all while denying a Maori the right to a voice.

 

Haven't looked very hard then have you.

Where's the pot of Gold?

Rainbow Administration Thread

 

So you would accept Western countries stepping in and abolishing it?

Yes or no?

Is my being an atheist stopping you from being a theist?

Is my apparently thanking God for being an atheist

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rolleyes

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, denying you your right to your own religious beliefs? Does it infringe upon your personal religious beliefs?

Probably because I stopped inhabiting the religious forums a long time ago. Around the time where you started accusing me of being a bad parent for being an atheist, remember those lovely times Sam?

He identifies himself as a Kiwi. Which has already been explained to you. Many times. I refuse to believe that you are that dim-witted that it needs to be explained to you again..

He does not dismiss what was done to Maori's. He openly accepts it. I'm sorry, is he expected to run screaming into the streets tearing at his clothes?

But you know what's the kicker, because he's not acting Maori enough for you, you refuse to allow him to have a voice about his culture and his people, all while ranting about how much the Europeans took away from Maori's.. And then, to top it off, you call a large portion of Maori culture delusional and irrelevant.

Hmm..

And now, you belittle and demean that culture even more.