ANARCHY BAD or GOOD

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  1. clayton Registered Senior Member

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    So true your good at this!!!
     
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  3. clayton Registered Senior Member

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    Wow my other thread is booming!!!!!
     
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  5. Black Jack Gen. "Black Jack" Pershing Registered Senior Member

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    "There can be no freedom without law."

    Think about it... how would you lay claim to any property? You own nothing in a system of anarchy... absolutely nothing. You aren't free to keep what you earn because there are no laws that say what you earn belongs to you; you aren't free to own a house, a car, or any significant property because there are no laws that assert your ownership of them. It's every man, or group for themselves.
     
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  7. soullust Registered Senior Member

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    say hello to my shot gun

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  8. Black Jack Gen. "Black Jack" Pershing Registered Senior Member

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    Oh, brother... you know what they say? Live by the sword, die by the sword. Unless you're some kind of demon of darkness tactical guru and have an nigh unlimited amount of ammunition at your disposal, I doubt that would get you very far.
     
  9. soullust Registered Senior Member

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    Yes you have a very good point, but They will have to kill me to get my property, and if i am dead i prolly won't need it much anymore.

    And i will take some of them with me.

    Plus, if i am sitting on my door steps with a few guns and a couple of bad ass dogs at my feet, i think if creeps want to steal peoples property, they will go for the easier target across the street

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  10. Black Jack Gen. "Black Jack" Pershing Registered Senior Member

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    Uh huh... well that's great and all, but sitting on your door steps with your poochies leaves you nice and open. A man with a rifle and half a sense will just shoot you from behind cover from a block away before you even know what's going on. The only way to be completely secure from getting your property stolen from you is to own none. In that case, the only thing you have to lose is your life should somebody be so inclined to decide it is of any real value. Which is another interesting concept if you think about it... there are no laws for or against slavery in a system of Anarchy.

    Another problem with Anarchy is that there's no real economy. No standardized legal tender such as the dollar or euro. If there is any economy, it's a local economy based on individual needs and value is placed on items dependent upon their level of necessity. In that case it isn't even an Anarchy at all as much as it's a rudimentary level society.

    Travel is extremely limited because there is no way to fill the gas up in your car. Nobody owns gas stations... what's the point if there's no way to profit? Society in general just stagnates in Anarchy... the only thing that really benefits in such a system (or lack thereof) is the ability for an individual to become completely self-reliant, or for a family to do so.

    Either way, in a practical sense there is no such thing as Anarchy anyway because humans are a social creature and therefore interaction between one another is inevitable. There will always be on some level a system that governs the rules by which people interact. Whether it be common courtesy, mutually beneficial agreements, or a system of standardized laws.
     
  11. soullust Registered Senior Member

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    Ok you win hands down.

    And welcome sir, i am glade i helped you get your first three posts

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    Thank you

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  13. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    It's naive to think it isn't. Anarchy is an ideal, chaos is the result.

    Just like hypocrisy is the result of theology.
     
  14. clayton Registered Senior Member

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    True but the real definition means freedom
     
  15. John99 Banned Banned

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    From first breath no one is truly free. I am not even sure if complete and total freedom exists in nature. Limiting our freedom can be something as benign as a relationship a parent or life itself. Consequences put a damper on any notions of absolute freedom.
     
  16. clayton Registered Senior Member

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    Can you explain?
     
  17. John99 Banned Banned

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    Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
     
  18. John99 Banned Banned

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    Well anyway, i have to go now. I will check back later.
     
  19. pluto2 Valued Senior Member

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    Anarchism is a nice concept on paper because Government can really be evil sometimes. Some of the modern forms of oppression and control cannot exist without a government or a State.

    However maybe government is an unneccesary evil because modern civilization would not be possible without the statist structures and
    the division of labor among members of society. The division of labor is at the core of modern state societies. With the division of labor
    everyone does something and then we exchange the products of our labor with each other with money - also called a medium of exchange. The division of labor requires order and you need to make sure that everyone really does his share of work. The division of work would not be possible without a state system and this indeed requires a government.

    Also Modern societies contain far too many people for them to be able to manage themselves without a central government system.

    Anarchism is only possible if we want to go back to live in decentrilzed and small-numbered communes, however this means that the technological benefits of modern civilization and the division of labor which makes it possible for more goods and services to be produced would have to be given up.
     

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