Basically, Orleander is trying to explain to us that emotional abuse is better than physical abuse. And since she claims the following "There's nothing wrong with a child learning to be ashamed of what they have done. " I'll counter it with the following: " There is nothing wrong with a child learning the pain for what they've done." Yes, that's exactly what it amounts to. Anyone here, who claims that physical violence is worse than emotional obviously has no clue. You can't see emotional abuse, like bruises or broken bones, but it's there, and it's the worst form of disciplining your children you could use. And now, I'll enjoy using the anti-spanking troupe's vocabulary. "You are emotionally assaulting your children. You are an assailant. You are an abuser, because you are screwing with your kids emotions. Abuser."