Visceral, you're going off on tangents, trying to prove something from disparate sources. BTW, you didn't refute anything, the quote you provided actually agreed with the one I provided. Seems you're so keen to pick a fight, you aren't really understanding what you are quoting. Calm down, eh? We also are no discussing what I choose to do, that aspect of this thread is just you trying to pick a fight. But if you must know, I'm a guy with long hair, who most often wears combat trousers (when I'm not in the office, conforming to what people think of as being 'normal'). The latter because my father was in the military, and we weren't that well off, so I wore his old fatigues when I started to fit them. Wearing army surplus now helps keep me grounded, if you will, and I am still bemused by people that like designer labels and those that follow fads. I'm a techhie, a scientist, a numbers guy, marketing and hype do not cater for my demographic.